Comments Thread For: BoxingScene.com's Pound-for-Pound Update

[bigjavi973]

1) Mayweather
2) Klitschko
3) Gonzalez
4) Golovkin
5) Pacquiao
6) Kovalev
7) Rigondeaux
8) Canelo
9) Crawford
10) Thurman/Brook

Runners up/up comers - Estrada, Shinsuke Yamanaka, Amir Khan, Danny Garcia, Lomachenko, Tim Bradley etc

The top 7 I feel pretty strongly about, after that I didn't have specific people in mind but tried to be objective about the overall quality of resume with a heavier weight on fights of last couple years.

What kind of bullshit is this???

Thurman/Brook > Garcia p4p???

[DreamerUSA]

I really can't argue much with the list, it would mostly be nitpicking. My only real complaint is Manny even being on the list. Look the guy has had an amazing career, but he is 3-3 in his last 6 fights. Is that really p4p material?

Also I question people who **** on Bradley being on the list yet some of these posters still have Manny on their list. Like wtf. You do realise that Bradley has one of the best resumes in boxing and lost once? If you are going to base him not being on the list because of what have you done for me lately thats fine, but if you do, Manny does'nt belong on the list either. That is a pretty clear double standard from some people imo.

[IMDAZED]

How is Golovkin rated higher than Klitschko?

[bigjavi973]

How is Golovkin rated higher than Klitschko?

Beats me???

I have Wlad at 3 and GGG at 8

My Top 10:

1. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
2. Roman Gonzales
3. Wladimir Klitschko
4. Guillermo Rigondeaux
5. Manny Pacquiao
6. Danny Garcia
7. Sergey Kovalev
8. Gennady G. Golovkin
9. Miguel Cotto
10. Naoya Inoue

[IMDAZED]

Beats me???

I have Wlad at 3 and GGG at 8

Klitschko has been on top for a decade and beaten a who's who of HW's. I'm just baffled.

[PACnPBFsuck]

Cliff, you know you my boy right? but Wlad #7, dude is easily #2.

[bigjavi973]

Klitschko has been on top for a decade and beaten a who's who of HW's. I'm just baffled.

Exactly. I know the competition has been stiff but winning for 10 yrs IN the heavyweight division on its own deserves extreme credit. (*Wilder is gonna put him to sleep btw)

[daggum]

Exactly. I know the competition has been stiff but winning for 10 yrs IN the heavyweight division on its own deserves extreme credit. (*Wilder is gonna put him to sleep btw)

is it really that hard to win when you hold your opponent every time he tries to initiate any offense? when only one guy is allowed to throw punches i think i know who the winner is going to be. you think he deserves extreme credit for doing that? wow he's really great at cheating extreme credit!

[SteveM]

Isn't the idea of pound for pound to find the best fighters in the world? And isn't performance the yardstick with extra credit for performance against elite opponents?
But what happens when fighters are either avoided as in Golovkin's and Rigo's cases or the division is just weak as in Klitscho's case?
Personally I can see measuring the performance against weaker fighters and then transposing that performance to imaginary elite fighters - in other words subjectively using your imagination. For example it is not just that Golovkin beats all his opponents but the way that he does it - early knockout. Golovkin has elite power. Sure he can cut off the ring well but a lot of good it wouldn't do him if once he got in firing range of his opponent he didn't have the power to do any harm. As their aren't any other elite fighters at middleweight perhaps we need to move on to the next leap in imagination.
We can try to use our imagination to shrink a fighter down to another weight class with his same skills. Or "grow a fighter" up to another level. Try imagining Rigo at welterweight? In other words the same qualities but proportionately upgraded, reach, power, height etc. Would he be less or more elusive than Mayweather? Would he beat Pacquaio and Brook in that scenario? I think he would.
What about reducing Klitscho down to a junior middleweight. Lets say he'd be 6 foot tall but have that same authorative jab. I don't think he would be anywhere near as effective. I could see him having issues with Lara, Andrade, Canelo just for starters.
How about doing a re-size of Roman Gonzalez up to Middleweight? I think he would be awesome and take out GGG easily due to GGG's lack of defense. Put him up to light heavyweight - lets say have him with same properties but all scaled up - I'd see him dominating Kovalev because his skill set and attributes are just superior.
It's all conjecture but in the end the problem I see with virtually all pound for pound lists is they give way too much credit to the larger weights and far too little to the lower weights.

[bigjavi973]

is it really that hard to win when you hold your opponent every time he tries to initiate any offense? when only one guy is allowed to throw punches i think i know who the winner is going to be. you think he deserves extreme credit for doing that? wow he's really great at cheating extreme credit!

I understand where you are coming from...

But Jennings had some success in their fight and he only had 6 yrs boxing experience.

I think it was that pulev guy that wlad dropped he didn't hold as much there. Pulev did that.

Example. If povetkin knew that wlad would lay on top of him, why did he keep coming in with his head low for?