Which is more flawed - GGG's defence or Floyd's offence?

[Doctor_Tenma]

You have the stepping in jab, this jab doesn't work too well against Pacquiao. You have the touch jab that's more effective against Manny, you have the up jab that Ward and Mayweather use. You also have the jab to the body that again, Ward and Mayweather use. I brought up Pacquiao to pretty much allow people to know that, just simply having a good stiff jab isn't gonna cut it, you need variations. Cotto's stepping in jab didn't help him against Pacquiao, I believe there is a 2 minute highlight of Pacquiao repeatedly countering it.

Also, Mayweather's offense isn't really flawed for the record, that's laughable.

[Doctor_Tenma]

Floyd doesn't have the power to close shows either.

And regardless my question was do you think Whitaker isn't good offensively? By some of the logic you're using he wasn't.

Floyd does fight in the pocket. He's not going to fight in the pocket or "destroy" Pacquaio on the inside because Pacquaio doesn't stay or fight on the inside.

He doesn't follow up but at this stage in his career he's lacking killer instinct that he used to have. But that doesn't mean your isn't good.

"Pacquaio doesn't stay on the inside"

Well said, and that should be understood. Also, why would he need to press Pacquiao when Pacquiao made it too easy for him?

[El-blanco]

Offense isn't as rare or difficult as defense, great defense is generally the mark of a great fighter, even aggressive guys like Duran.

That said, Floyd isn't a big puncher in his fourth and fifth weight classes but his offense is brilliant and more efficient than Triple G or just about anybody else.

I think you're confusing boxing hipsters with people that actually know the sport.

Well no one is saying that.

No one in their right mind would say that.

You were saying? Lol.

[El-blanco]

This is a weird question. Maybe flawed is the wrong word.

GGG is a stalker that's willing to take 2 to land one. At range, he's actually pretty good defensively and is a good counter puncher. His flaw is not so much defense but him being uncomfortable fighting on the inside. Monroe had most og lf his success on the inside and GGG was taking a lot of punches. His answer was to push him back to reestablish a range where he is comfortable at.

Floyd, being 38 with hand problems and declining reflexes, has adapted to an "old man style". He preserves eneergy, doesnt put punches together as much, throws quick single shots and rests on the ropes.

Even at this age and throughout his career, he discourages opponents with right hand counters over their jabs, using their aggression against them and walking them into check hooks, wearing them down with body shots and he has a quick, crisp, untelegraphed right hand lead. He transitions from defense to offense better than any fighter in the sport and places his shots very well. He is also one of the most complete fighters in boxing because he can pick you apart on the outside, and is probably the best inside fighter in boxing. He can throw punches from all ranges.

So its not really " flawed offense" or "flawed defense". It's about being a complete fighter and I can say that Floyd is a way more complete fighter than GGG.

But obviously, you're comparing an experienced ATG with a riding MW titlist who is still trying to build his legacy and improve. So it is probably more logical to compare GGG with his peers to make it more fair.

That argument that this is his old man style is exhausting. He's been fighting like that since he moved to welterweight. He fought like that against baldomir, Oscar, maidana,etc. that's a span of close to a decade. Throwing virtually no combinations, not sitting on your punches, is not a great offence. He does enough offensively to win. I can't believe some of the replies in here.

[b00g13man]

You were saying? Lol.

More efficient =/= better.

[Szef]

More efficient =/= better.

i'd say knocking your opponents out is more efficient than outpointing them..

[Kagami Taiga]

That argument that this is his old man style is exhausting. He's been fighting like that since he moved to welterweight. He fought like that against baldomir, Oscar, maidana,etc. that's a span of close to a decade. Throwing virtually no combinations, not sitting on your punches, is not a great offence. He does enough offensively to win. I can't believe some of the replies in here.

That's not really true. The way he fought Baldomir and Oscar were unique to those fights. His fights against Judah abd Hatton were very offensive in fact. U know why? Because against the other two he was very outsized so he fought smart. Boxing fans shouldn't have to be told these things. But whatever I guess

[SkillspayBills]

Man you're literal weeks of salt and bitterness really make my day. It's been nothing short of amazing to see someone soooooooooo bitter, angry, jealous and irrational for weeks on end. Please don't ever change.

Floyd's offense is sublime. He has every punch in the book. A variation in his offense and he knows how to change up his rhythm to keep opponents guessing. He is defense first though, that's why on many occasions he will pull back once he lands a punch.

[El-blanco]

More efficient =/= better.

You're acting like ggg has ten losses. What's more efficient, eliminating a risk or giving it an opportunity for a whole fight?

[-PBP-]

That argument that this is his old man style is exhausting. He's been fighting like that since he moved to welterweight. He fought like that against baldomir, Oscar, maidana,etc. that's a span of close to a decade. Throwing virtually no combinations, not sitting on your punches, is not a great offence. He does enough offensively to win. I can't believe some of the replies in here.

He fought Maidana last year. WTF are you talking about? How about against Judah, Hatton, Mosley, etc.

Transitioning from defense to offense is offense. Timing your opponent is offense. Creating counter punching opportunities is offense. Setting traps and forcing your opponent to walk into hooks is offense. Wearing him down to the body is offense. Neutralizing a jab with a counter right hand is offense (GGG dropped Monroe last night). Punching accuracy is good offense. Punching placement is good offense. Variations of using your lead hand is good offense.

With all due respect your arguments are retarted and short sighted. A flaw is something you can capitalize on. How do you capitalize on Floyd's offensive flaws? By throwing a lot of punches? That's been tried before.

Floyd's biggest flaw is that he doesn't try to block a jab because it sets up his right hand counter. That's why a jab is a must have when fighting him. That's an example of a flaw.