Which is more flawed - GGG's defence or Floyd's offence?

[Porter's Dad]

Wlad's jab is on a different stratosphere to Golovkin's.

Golovkin's jab isn't that impressive.

Golovkin's defense is more flawed because his defense isn't that good in general.

Floyd at his advantaged age is a lot more economical and more one dimensional with his offence than he used to be but he's still one of the most if not the most accurate and precise punchers in Boxing.

He might be accurate but it's not offensively impressive. He's already on the way out/back as he is punching. He doesn't sit down on his punch, he doesn't hurt opponents, he doesn't throw combinations whatsoever, he's not closing the show. It's an defence-based offence, and lacking woefully because of it.

Wlad's jab is not on another planet. They both have hugely impressive jabs. But it's good that the notion that GGG has the best jab made you laugh.

[$Bullsfam$]

What I am essentially getting at is this - wouldn't it be great if the boxing hipsters who think GGG's defence is trash also come out and say after the usual Floyd bore....."he should have done more to get the guy out of there. There has to be more than just doing enough"

It's the idea that defence is more respected than offence for some reason.

I agree. Floyd should get more heat for not trying to finish. But at the same time if you look at it from a pure boxing stand point with absolutely no bias towards excitement his defense is pretty spectacular because it's alot harder to make someone miss then land. You throw 100 punches your going to eventually land. Somebody throws 100 at you and only lands 15-20 then that's pretty damn impressive. I'm not a Floyd fan but it's pretty damn impressive but at the same time when you are so much better then the competiton like Wlad you need to be able to take them out or you just won't get The respect you deserve.

It's not even boxing as a whole that respects Floyd more. It's his nuthuggers who throw it in your face every chance they get. Most of them are bandwagon fans anyway and alot of them just like it because he's black and on top.

[KJB]

A 38 year old fighter, fighting in his fourth or fight weight division, is not going to finish most of his opponents. This is going to be historically true with most fighters fighting at a high level. Even Ali's kayo percentage dropped dramatically as he got older.

You haters have serious tunnel vision when it comes to Floyd. It's like when people talk about Sugar Ray Leonard finishing opponents... Leonard wasn't a world class fighter by 35 or beyond his third weight division, let alone knocking out world class competition in his fourth division at 38 year old.

[Porter's Dad]

Offense isn't as rare or difficult as defense, great defense is generally the mark of a great fighter, even aggressive guys like Duran.

That said, Floyd isn't a big puncher in his fourth and fifth weight classes but his offense is brilliant and more efficient than Triple G or just about anybody else.

I think you're confusing boxing hipsters with people that actually know the sport.

Just no

If his offence was that great, his fights wouldn't be so monumentally dire.

Duran was almost the perfect fighter because he was a pressure fighter who had brilliant defence. But otherwise, there are very, very fighters in boxing history who can be offensively dynamic pressure-fighters and maintain brilliant defence.

Chavez Sr's defence was underrated, he used to slip and parry a lot of punches but then he would also get caught with eye-catching head-snapping shots. It's the nature of the beast when you are a pressure fighter.

Offense isn't as rare or difficult as defense

This is the era of Mayweather and people are in thrall to his skills. That's why they fetishise great defence as surpreme skills, but don't respect a great offence like Golovkin and Kovalev in the same way.

[IMDAZED]

A 38 year old fighter, fighting in his fourth or fight weight division, is not going to finish most of his opponents. This is going to be historically true with most fighters fighting at a high level. Even Ali's kayo percentage dropped dramatically as he got older.

You haters have serious tunnel vision when it comes to Floyd. It's like when people talk about Sugar Ray Leonard finishing opponents... Leonard wasn't a world class fighter by 35 or beyond his third weight division, let alone knocking out world class competition in his fourth division at 38 year old.

Let his bitterness flow. Going good with my coffee this Sunday morning.

[IronDanHamza]

He might be accurate but it's not offensively impressive. He's already on the way out/back as he is punching. He doesn't sit down on his punch, he doesn't hurt opponents, he doesn't throw combinations whatsoever, he's not closing the show. It's an defence-based offence, and lacking woefully because of it.

Wlad's jab is not on another planet. They both have hugely impressive jabs. But it's good that the notion that GGG has the best jab made you laugh.

He hurt Maidana, Canelo, Guererro, Cotto, almsot every fighter he fights he will land a punch that momentarily hurts them.

You don't need to close the show to be offensively good. Do you consider Whitaker offensively good? Because he rarely closed the show nor could he really punch.

Floyd's offense is clearly better than Golovkin's defense. Especially considering the ridiculously large gap in level of opposition.

[HEND]

And a side note: Let's not call "boxing hipster" who prefer a different style of boxing than you even if you think it's unbelievable to like that style. Please.

[Porter's Dad]

I agree. Floyd should get more heat for not trying to finish. But at the same time if you look at it from a pure boxing stand point with absolutely no bias towards excitement his defense is pretty spectacular because it's alot harder to make someone miss then land. You throw 100 punches your going to eventually land. Somebody throws 100 at you and only lands 15-20 then that's pretty damn impressive. I'm not a Floyd fan but it's pretty damn impressive but at the same time when you are so much better then the competiton like Wlad you need to be able to take them out or you just won't get The respect you deserve.

It's not even boxing as a whole that respects Floyd more. It's his nuthuggers who throw it in your face every chance they get. Most of them are bandwagon fans anyway and alot of them just like it because he's black and on top.

Floyd is a defensive genius, probably the best ever. His stance is near perfect, in that you can barely land on him without taking a counter straight/digging right hook in return.

But to get to that point of defence, he has sacrificed hugely offensively. To the point where it's an eye-sore watching him fight. When you're so defensive-minded, you lose something the other way. Same with GGG in terms of offence.

I know people diss on the casual fans but it's a problem when people come up to you and call the fight of the century trash and ask you what the hell Mayweather was doing in there.....and you have no answer. In a way, the casual fans can see the problems with his style more clearly than the rest of us, who are so used to it.

But at what point does Mayweather stop getting a free-pass for stinking fights up? Pac, Marquez, DLH, Guerrero, Maidan, Canelo.....all usually in exciting fights.

They fight Mayweather and.....it's a complete eye-sore. But here's the brilliant thing. They get blamed for not making Floyd's ass less boring

[Weebler I]

It's hard to compare someone's offense to someone's defense but anyone who thinks Floyd's offense (if you can call it that) is better than Golovkin's offense is crazy.

[IronDanHamza]

It's hard to compare someone's offense to someone's defense but anyone who thinks Floyd's offense (if you can call it that) is better than Golovkin's offense is crazy.

Well no one is saying that.

No one in their right mind would say that.