Saul "Canelo" Alvarez vs Miguel Cotto: Who is the real "A" side?

[Beater_of_ass]

He's not unkown, but you're comparing a fighter who was on an inferior television network.

Canelo isn't on SHO anymore.

His Nielsen ratings and PPV buys are both going to increase on HBO.

So using SHO #'s is unconvincing.

I see your point now. That's a fair point , but it's minimal. Manny/Mosley got like 1 million buys if I remember correctly, I doubt it would have been more on HBO.

[Mitchell Kane]

I see your point now. That's a fair point , but it's minimal. Manny/Mosley got like 1 million buys if I remember correctly, I doubt it would have been more on HBO.

As I've said, Pacquiao and Mosley had done well on SHO PPV...and both were established as PPV fighters on HBO (and specifically against DLH).

And with Pacquiao-Mosley, part of the reason Arum took the fight to SHO was they agreed to expand the marketing for that fight, including using non-SHO networks.

[Beater_of_ass]

As I've said, Pacquiao and Mosley had done well on SHO PPV...and both were established as PPV fighters on HBO (and specifically against DLH).

And with Pacquiao-Mosley, part of the reason Arum took the fight to SHO was they agreed to expand the marketing for that fight, including using non-SHO networks.

I'm really not hearing any of this Showtime doesn't matter **** because you don't need Showtime to buy a PPV. Floyd and Canelo nearly broke the record on Showtime... So Showtime not being "as good" just not buying that excuse for at best 50k difference of PPV buys. It's an insignificant issue.

[bigjavi973]

We're comparing how they both did main eventing SHO PPV's.

SHO PPV doesn't = HBO PPV.

Mayweather and Pacquiao are the only two boxers who can sell SHO PPV's.

Cotto, against a recognizable opponent who'd been in PPV main events before, only did "Like 250" on SHO PPV.

[bigjavi973]

are you seriously comparing overall PPV numbers in their careers? Canelo is 24 ***in years old and pretty much just started his career. Cotto is obviously more established in terms of career numbers, but as of right now Canelo is on his way up while Cotto is close to leaving the sport. Its pretty obvious who draws in more viewers AT THIS point in their careers. I've always conceded Canelo give in to Cottos A-side demands out of respect and because of his tenure in the sport. But as far as who brings in more $$$, its Canelo.

Don't give me "Canelo is still young" bull****. No, that excuse doesn't work. You don't get to say "he did 2.2 million and **** all over Cotto/Floyd" then say "he's young and unknown doe." Nah, don't work that way. The topic is who is the A side, I look at all the numbers and the reply is "Nah, the numbers don't count doe" but they do count when it's Canelo's numbers. Idiots lmao.

Since we're talking money, what was the gate for Canelo's fight at $10 tickets? Cotto/Margarito did like a 5 million gate, Canelo is only talking about the rating, go figure it still relied on Floyd like every other "top earning" thing in Canelo's career.

[Mitchell Kane]

I'm really not hearing any of this Showtime doesn't matter **** because you don't need Showtime to buy a PPV. Floyd and Canelo nearly broke the record on Showtime... So Showtime not being "as good" just not buying that excuse for at best 50k difference of PPV buys. It's an insignificant issue.

What Floyd and Canelo did on PPV doesn't disprove that SHO is an inferior network for PPV.

And it certainly doesn't lend support the argument that Canelo is a "B" side to Cotto.

[Beater_of_ass]

What Floyd and Canelo did on PPV doesn't disprove that SHO is an inferior network for PPV.

And it certainly doesn't lend support the argument that Canelo is a "B" side to Cotto.

Exactly. Which is why Showtime is irrelevant and I never even mentioned it until you brought it up. I'm going by the numbers. The numbers show who the A side is.

[Fantasiabruja]

That is all that matters as long as Cotto has not been stripped or otherwise loses his title by fight time. Right now, at this particular point in time, Cotto is the A side and I voted that way. But if Cotto loses to Geale, he becomes the B side and if he is stripped of the title before the fight, I would consider both fighters on equal standing.

This is the most sensible thought/opinion about the question of who is the A side. IMO

[Fantasiabruja]

Canelo. It's not close. Cotto is basically trying to cash out right now.

Yup your absolutely right, thats why Cotto passed on the fight twice already he can't wait to cash out.

[jcj0427]

Don't give me "Canelo is still young" bull****. No, that excuse doesn't work. You don't get to say "he did 2.2 million and **** all over Cotto/Floyd" then say "he's young and unknown doe." Nah, don't work that way. The topic is who is the A side, I look at all the numbers and the reply is "Nah, the numbers don't count doe" but they do count when it's Canelo's numbers. Idiots lmao.

Since we're talking money, what was the gate for Canelo's fight at $10 tickets? Cotto/Margarito did like a 5 million gate, Canelo is only talking about the rating, go figure it still relied on Floyd like every other "top earning" thing in Canelo's career.

who the **** is ****ting over Cotto/Floyd?? Saying that fight did less than Canelo/May and was one-sided is not ****ting on it, its called facts buddy. No1 is saying Cotto shouldnt get his due respect. But as far as this whole A-side B-side thing goes, Canelos name will bring in way more money then Cottos name in this year, 2015.

I dont care about Cottos ppv numbers that he did with mayorga, margarito, or whoever else, thats too far back. The most you can do is compare recent events. Cotto did 350k with Sergio Martinez the middleweight champion of the world. Fkin Chavez did 500k with Martinez for christ sake and hes the second most popular Mexican fighter right now. Canelo did 350k with Alfredo fkin Angulo. Canelo doing 2.2 viewership should leave it clear whose the Aside. CottoGaele aint going nowhere near that.