Out Boxer Style Killing The Sport?

[ElMeroChingon]

The difference is that people like to call someone who sits back playing defense skillful, Yet they call someone who only plays offense a bum, when it's the same one dimensional limitation.

[neoz]

The difference is that people like to call someone who sits back playing defense skillful, Yet they call someone who only plays offense a bum, when it's the same one dimensional limitation.

Good point.

[madsweeney]

It makes me sad when someone can't throw an uppercut or find a way to find the targets that still exist.

I ain't got time for dumb fighters who can't figure out a different way to skin the cat.

Throw an uppercut, when someone is FACING THE OPPOSITE DIRECTIOn while bent below the waist?!! If a punch is thrown while someone is in that position they'd be throwing a foul (kidney/rabbit punch)

[MRCHOKEaMF]

The real problem guys dont want to admit is yes Floyd is defensive, but...he still outlanded the offensive guy. Floyd landed as many power punches as manny landed ANY punches. Floyd was close enough to outland pac and made pac miss, pac couldnt avoid Floyds jab or many counters...when has he ever been known to avoid right hands and counters? Floyd is just that good, are they gonna come up with Floyd rules i.e. Jordan rules, cause Floyd is just that damn good and his haters just cant admit it even when the guy that was supposed to be his biggest and best competition according to "fans", got taken to school in "boxing". I guess he just perfected "boxing". Dont hate just appreciate skill. Manny was supposed to be able, with his ferocious offense, to overcome Mayweathers skill and it didnt. People lose at competitive events get over it.

[Dr Rumack]

The difference is that people like to call someone who sits back playing defense skillful, Yet they call someone who only plays offense a bum, when it's the same one dimensional limitation.

Well put. It's either a blind-spot borne of not having watched enough fights from different eras, or straight-up hypocrisy.

For me at least, the pinnacle in this sport is a man standing in the other guy's range, countering him, out-smarting him, and out-hustling him.

A lot of the dudes who talk about the 'sweet science' on this forum need to be sat down and forced to watch prime Mike McCallum until the penny drops.

[lacson]

Is this a true statement? I have seen this posted alot lately and it's very stunning to see supposed boxing fans state this. The sport of boxing has various styles and as a "Boxing" fan i appreciate ALL of them. However i tend to lean towards or favor thinkers in the ring who rely on movement, wearing opponents down, making their opponents look lost and not fight their fight, and making thier opponents pay for mistakes. when i trained in the sport this is they approach I took. Of late this style has been bashed due to the fact a particular fighter has mastered it and uses it to his advantage. But is it true that this style is really ruining boxing?

The sport of boxing has survived many years with some of the greatest boxers using this style, while some used their offense a little more others relied more on movement, foot placement, technical aspects, ring IQ, and actually MOVE out of the way when their opponents swing their glove at them in the ring. All of a sudden this style has now been labeled "running" or the fighter is called a coward for not standing still and allowing their opponent to use their strengths...

Lets take a look at a list of boxers who have used this style and are high on alot of peoples ATG list to see if this style is killing the sport.

The out-boxer (also out-fighter, pure boxer, boxer) is the opposite of the swarmer. The out-boxer seeks to maintain a gap from their opponent and fight with faster, longer range punches. Out-boxers are known for being extremely quick on their feet, which often makes up for a lack of power. Since they rely on the weaker jabs and straights (as opposed to hooks and uppercuts), they tend to win by points decisions rather than by knockout, although some out-boxers can be aggressive and effective punchers.[2] Out-boxers such as Benny Leonard, Gene Tunney, Muhammad Ali, and Larry Holmes have many notable knockouts, but usually preferred to wear down their opponents and outclass them rather than just knock them out.

Notable out-boxers include Muhammad Ali, Wilfred Benitez, Cecilia Brækhus, Ezzard Charles, Kid Chocolate, Billy Conn, James J. Corbett, George Dixon, Chris Eubank, Tiger Flowers, Mike Gibbons, Tommy Gibbons, Holly Holm, Larry Holmes, Harold Johnson, Jack Johnson, Junior Jones, Benny Leonard, Tommy Loughran, Joey Maxim, Floyd Mayweather Jr., Philadelphia Jack O'Brien, Ken Overlin, Willie Pep, Maxie Rosenbloom, Barney Ross, Gene Tunney, Jersey Joe Walcott, and Pernell Whitaker.

The bottom line is this, casual fans and fans of one style or one fighter are not real boxing fans, this can be okay if you at least respect other styles (read the art of war), but when you come in disrespecting craft and the technical aspect of boxing you to will be disrespected by us and we would like you to stop commenting on the sport we love and grew up on! YOU ARE KILLING BOXING... and polluting the comment sections of every article with your nonsense. I recommend Pu55y, it has helped alot of men.. BYE!

Movement is part of boxing, no question and is beautiful to watch. The problem that I and a lot of fans see is the disengagement and taking off 10 ft from the action. That is uncalled for and should be penalized. On top of that is the holding and clinching which again kills the action, again those are actions that are supposed to be penalized.

Pure defense, is head movement, blocking, evading, slipping and foot movement. Holding, clinching and taking off to the other side of the ring to kill the action is not.

That's what the fans of the sport look for. What the fans want and what the boxers want could be two different things. However it's the fans who are paying for it, so you would think their opinions count.

[lacson]

The real problem guys dont want to admit is yes Floyd is defensive, but...he still outlanded the offensive guy. Floyd landed as many power punches as manny landed ANY punches. Floyd was close enough to outland pac and made pac miss, pac couldnt avoid Floyds jab or many counters...when has he ever been known to avoid right hands and counters? Floyd is just that good, are they gonna come up with Floyd rules i.e. Jordan rules, cause Floyd is just that damn good and his haters just cant admit it even when the guy that was supposed to be his biggest and best competition according to "fans", got taken to school in "boxing". I guess he just perfected "boxing". Dont hate just appreciate skill. Manny was supposed to be able, with his ferocious offense, to overcome Mayweathers skill and it didnt. People lose at competitive events get over it.

Don't rely on compubox. It's not reliable. Mayweather's actual punches landed are less than half of the compubox scores.

A big problem with this fight was that everyone relied on compubox numbers. The commentators and Kellerman based it on compubox scores. He was flabbergasted that Pacquiao thought he won. And Pacquiao was flabbergasted that Kellerman thought otherwise.

[12TRIBEsRiSe]

Movement is part of boxing, no question and is beautiful to watch. The problem that I and a lot of fans see is the disengagement and taking off 10 ft from the action. That is uncalled for and should be penalized. On top of that is the holding and clinching which again kills the action, again those are actions that are supposed to be penalized.

Pure defense, is head movement, blocking, evading, slipping and foot movement. Holding, clinching and taking off to the other side of the ring to kill the action is not.

That's what the fans of the sport look for. What the fans want and what the boxers want could be two different things. However it's the fans who are paying for it, so you would think their opinions count.

most boxers clinch and all the greats used certain things to gain advantage, but nothing will be perfect or ever has... floyd was in front of pac for alot of this fight and pac didnt do much he didnt run much he moved to escape and offset pac mans attack, all im seeing is floyd ran etc these kind of so called fans clearly do not know boxing im re watching the fight now and floyd did not run the whole fight and his style is not killing the sport... and ali was one of the biggest clinchers of all time lol all of the greats use dirty techniques u know thats a part of boxing

[12TRIBEsRiSe]

Even "hardcores" can barely make it through one of Floyd's fights without getting distracted and counting ceiling tiles.

Imagine what it's like for a 17 year old kid who just saw a Tyson/Dempsey/Tua clip to google "best boxer in the world". About 3 minutes into a Floyd fight, we've probably lost them forever. Boxing is better than MMA if you know where to look, but the most visible fighter in this sport makes people allergic to it.

His people have brilliantly groomed him for maximum income via celebrity association, fighting on Mexican holidays, bypassing conventional matchmaking and just letting fighters publicly beg for a shot, etc.

All very businesslike, but people already have jobs. Every time he fights it's the same anti-climax:

"Even my friends who never watch boxing are pumped about this fight because Bieber and TMZ and undefeated and...."

"My friends started asking me to change the channel half way through... I told them this is a $100 pay-per-view They started laughing at me".

well then they should have been mad at pac man because floyd always fights this way...pac mans job was to force him to fight his way... he sure did handle the running algierie with ease

[12TRIBEsRiSe]

The difference is that people like to call someone who sits back playing defense skillful, Yet they call someone who only plays offense a bum, when it's the same one dimensional limitation.

i dont call any boxer a bum