Out Boxer Style Killing The Sport?

[12TRIBEsRiSe]

1. Fighter A got countered just as many times he countered Fighter B

2. All the basics mean absolutely nothing if you not using them to set up combos and landing with authority.

3. You come off as one of those that thinks he knows boxing but in reality you only repeat what you read and hear.

if u think pac man countered floyd just as much as floyd countered him in this fight then maybe i dont know anything about boxing. but at the end of the day im a boxing fan and pac man will always be a great fighter and a decent boxer. that i do know

[SilverMiles]

if u think pac man countered floyd just as much as floyd countered him in this fight then maybe i dont know anything about boxing. but at the end of the day im a boxing fan and pac man will always be a great fighter and a decent boxer. that i do know

Maybe we should watch the fight together one day and you can show me all these brilliant counters.

[Boxing1836]

If you can't see the difference between what Miguel Vazquez or Chris Algieri do vs Floyd Mayweather then YDKSAB.

thats always the argument niche boxing fans go to, i know what he is doing, i know how he is doing it, doesn't mean i like it. can you grasp that at least? its not a hard concept

[12TRIBEsRiSe]

Maybe we should watch the fight together one day and you can show me all these brilliant counters.

lol floyd outlanded and out threw pac man, who became gun shy for some odd reason, floyd did what floyd usually does with a lower landing output and pac fought nothing like the pac we know missing damn near everything he threw and haveing a few bright spots... where was this amazing footwork? these angles? the 100 punches in bunches cereal his fanatics bragged about? it wasnt there.... the winner is always the one who dictates the pace and makes his opponent fight his fight. not to mention pac mans horrible footwork in this fight.

48-0 time to move on... no excuses

[KO MX]

Yes, they're killing the sport we love, we need more boxers like Canelo Alvarez,Golovkin,Matthysse,Pacquiao,Cotto etc etc
Floyd needs to retire he is ruinning everything

[ea22]

thats always the argument niche boxing fans go to, i know what he is doing, i know how he is doing it, doesn't mean i like it. can you grasp that at least? its not a hard concept

I agree, most of the people here have watched boxing for years, they are able to see what is going on in the ring. Yes it is a joy to be able to appreciate the nuances and intricacies of a fight, it makes it more interesting, but that alone does not make a great fight, if that was the case why not just watch sparring matches and amateur boxing?

I suppose it would be nice to be able to be satisfied with so little, but most people want to see more, and like I said the proof is in the pudding, boxing is half of what it used to be. Using the ppv numbers of May v. Pac doesn't help the hipsters' arguments, there has been a very negative public backlash after the fight.

[Barcham]

I grew up watching the greats fight each other... Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Norton, Leonard, Duran, Hagler, Hearns, and on and on... Those were exciting fights between warriors. May - Pac was a sad excuse for a Super Fight. If that is what the sport is becoming, I would rather see it die completely and watch the great fights of the past over and over again.

But I think there is still hope. With Kovalev, Golovkin, Provodnikov, Lomachenko, Walters, Harrison ... there are some great fighters coming into prominence who are not afraid to mix it up, not afraid to lose a fight and not afraid to go toe to toe. They will be giving us exciting fights for many years to come. I think we may see a change in judging attitudes as well, once we get some younger judges in there to replace these 60 and 70 year old fossils doing the job now. Time for some new blood.

And that was a great article! Thanks very much for the link!!!

[Rockin']

Is this a true statement? I have seen this posted alot lately and it's very stunning to see supposed boxing fans state this. The sport of boxing has various styles and as a "Boxing" fan i appreciate ALL of them. However i tend to lean towards or favor thinkers in the ring who rely on movement, wearing opponents down, making their opponents look lost and not fight their fight, and making thier opponents pay for mistakes. when i trained in the sport this is they approach I took. Of late this style has been bashed due to the fact a particular fighter has mastered it and uses it to his advantage. But is it true that this style is really ruining boxing?

The sport of boxing has survived many years with some of the greatest boxers using this style, while some used their offense a little more others relied more on movement, foot placement, technical aspects, ring IQ, and actually MOVE out of the way when their opponents swing their glove at them in the ring. All of a sudden this style has now been labeled "running" or the fighter is called a coward for not standing still and allowing their opponent to use their strengths...

Lets take a look at a list of boxers who have used this style and are high on alot of peoples ATG list to see if this style is killing the sport.

The out-boxer (also out-fighter, pure boxer, boxer) is the opposite of the swarmer. The out-boxer seeks to maintain a gap from their opponent and fight with faster, longer range punches. Out-boxers are known for being extremely quick on their feet, which often makes up for a lack of power. Since they rely on the weaker jabs and straights (as opposed to hooks and uppercuts), they tend to win by points decisions rather than by knockout, although some out-boxers can be aggressive and effective punchers.[2] Out-boxers such as Benny Leonard, Gene Tunney, Muhammad Ali, and Larry Holmes have many notable knockouts, but usually preferred to wear down their opponents and outclass them rather than just knock them out.

Notable out-boxers include Muhammad Ali, Wilfred Benitez, Cecilia Brækhus, Ezzard Charles, Kid Chocolate, Billy Conn, James J. Corbett, George Dixon, Chris Eubank, Tiger Flowers, Mike Gibbons, Tommy Gibbons, Holly Holm, Larry Holmes, Harold Johnson, Jack Johnson, Junior Jones, Benny Leonard, Tommy Loughran, Joey Maxim, Floyd Mayweather Jr., Philadelphia Jack O'Brien, Ken Overlin, Willie Pep, Maxie Rosenbloom, Barney Ross, Gene Tunney, Jersey Joe Walcott, and Pernell Whitaker.

The bottom line is this, casual fans and fans of one style or one fighter are not real boxing fans, this can be okay if you at least respect other styles (read the art of war), but when you come in disrespecting craft and the technical aspect of boxing you to will be disrespected by us and we would like you to stop commenting on the sport we love and grew up on! YOU ARE KILLING BOXING... and polluting the comment sections of every article with your nonsense. I recommend Pu55y, it has helped alot of men.. BYE!

No it is not dying. It's posts such as these that suggest that boxing is dying that are ridiculous and tiresome. But guess what, these posts are made by people who are either just purposely trying to stir **** up or by people that lack any real knowledge and just don't know any better. Does boxing go through peek and valleys in popularity? Yes the sport goes through those transitions, but it is not dying.

The idiots who belittle the sport and it's participants are a dime a dozen around here. The have soooooo much to say but nothing to back it up, except gibberish.

These idiots are certainly a black eye of the sport, but black eyes are like grass stains on a ball players uniform, they ain't **** and will be worked past.

Idiots put aside, boxing is not going anywhere. It's being heavily consolidated at the time but it's not going anywhere and is no where near death.

[El-blanco]

I agree, most of the people here have watched boxing for years, they are able to see what is going on in the ring. Yes it is a joy to be able to appreciate the nuances and intricacies of a fight, it makes it more interesting, but that alone does not make a great fight, if that was the case why not just watch sparring matches and amateur boxing?

I suppose it would be nice to be able to be satisfied with so little, but most people want to see more, and like I said the proof is in the pudding, boxing is half of what it used to be. Using the ppv numbers of May v. Pac doesn't help the hipsters' arguments, there has been a very negative public backlash after the fight.

That's exactly it. This is a combat sport, sports are for entertaining and not much educating. These guys act like Floyd is ****in Leonardo Da Vinci in his brilliance. People understand all the intricacies that certain fighters bring but sports are supposed to bring drama. If I wanted to be impressed by someones intelligence, i'd read books all day.

[sicko]

Casuals did not help build this fight up, us the boxing fans are responsible for this match up as well as the Mayweather vs Canelo match up. Casuals show up after the hard work is done trying to demand things and want things to play out a certain way they can really *** OFF for all I Care. Boxing Don't need You! Also Boxing has a bigger GLOBAL APPEAL than most of these American Sports. NFL Football and MLB Baseball is not big outside of America...But Boxing Is!

Boxing don't even need Casuals to survive. Boxers been making Big money even without Casuals Watching, they just so happen to make MORE MONEY when Casuals do watch but can they survive without casuals...ABSOLUTELY they have been doing so before this event.

Casuals cried when Pernell Whitaker did not get the Decision over Chavez Sr, when Tyson ruined that PPV Event and bit Holyfield Ear Off, when Lennox Lewis was Robbed vs Holyfield they always crying about "Boxing Is Dead" only to return a few years later for the next big boxing event.

What casuals is most upset about is that the Villain won on Saturday and Not the "HERO". If Pacquiao fought like Mayweather and won people would be Praising the hell out of Pacquiao and talking about how he fought like Ali