Out Boxer Style Killing The Sport?

[MRCHOKEaMF]

Basically, some guys dont want you playing defense and the strongest puncher to win. But its boxing, where just because youre the strongest puncher, doesnt mean you will win. Offense & Defense. Not many people go undefeated, and Floyd has faced more world champions in the history of boxing and beat them all. Thats why its so special, they usually dont go undefeated fighting mostly champions and #1 contenders. Robert Garcia said "Floyd is showing people what boxing is really about". If you want the strongest puncher to win....create a sport for it, but as long as you have points as a way to win, then some people are gonna rely on that as a way to win. Manny's fans are just crying because the boxer beat the puncher....by boxing.

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Even "hardcores" can barely make it through one of Floyd's fights without getting distracted and counting ceiling tiles.

Imagine what it's like for a 17 year old kid who just saw a Tyson/Dempsey/Tua clip to google "best boxer in the world". About 3 minutes into a Floyd fight, we've probably lost them forever. Boxing is better than MMA if you know where to look, but the most visible fighter in this sport makes people allergic to it.

His people have brilliantly groomed him for maximum income via celebrity association, fighting on Mexican holidays, bypassing conventional matchmaking and just letting fighters publicly beg for a shot, etc.

All very businesslike, but people already have jobs. Every time he fights it's the same anti-climax:

"Even my friends who never watch boxing are pumped about this fight because Bieber and TMZ and undefeated and...."

"My friends started asking me to change the channel half way through... I told them this is a $100 pay-per-view They started laughing at me".

[The Gambler1981]

I disagree:

Canelo (the aggressor) got the decision over Lara
Froch (the aggressor) got the decision over Dirrell
Glazkov (the aggressor) got decisions over Cunningham and Scott
Adamek (the aggressor) got the decision over Cunningham
Williams (the aggressor) got the decision over Lara
Canelo (the aggressor) got the decision over Trout
Calzaghe (the aggressor) got the decision over Hopkins
Bey (the aggressor) got the decision over Vazquez
Rios (the aggressor) got the decision over Abril
Pac (the aggressor) got decisions over Marquez


The list goes on and I guarantee you that the aggressor gets the decision more times than not. To win like Floyd, you have to be next to perfect at what you do as one flurry from his opponent can cost him his round. That makes me appreciate even more what guys like Floyd and Hopkins can do. The outrage over scoring is because Floyd beat Pacquiao and people's feelings are hurt.

There is only one Floyd Mayweather and instead of criticizing the entire sport of boxing, and the 10s of thousands of fighters involved, people need to watch more boxing so they aren't forming opinions on the entire sport based on 1 out of 1,000 plus fights that take place throughout the year.

The funny thing is if they change the way boxing is scored because of Floyd, that makes him one of the greatest fighters ever based on that. He beat the game so badly it got broken and needed to be overhauled.

If you force a change like that over a whole sport how great is that guy? They didn't need to change the sport for any of the greats I am aware of.

If they want to make that argument they are free but they should understand what argument they are really making.

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Casuals did not help build this fight up, us the boxing fans are responsible for this match up as well as the Mayweather vs Canelo match up. Casuals show up after the hard work is done trying to demand things and want things to play out a certain way they can really *** OFF for all I Care. Boxing Don't need You! Also Boxing has a bigger GLOBAL APPEAL than most of these American Sports. NFL Football and MLB Baseball is not big outside of America...But Boxing Is!

Boxing don't even need Casuals to survive. Boxers been making Big money even without Casuals Watching, they just so happen to make MORE MONEY when Casuals do watch but can they survive without casuals...ABSOLUTELY they have been doing so before this event.

Casuals cried when Pernell Whitaker did not get the Decision over Chavez Sr, when Tyson ruined that PPV Event and bit Holyfield Ear Off, when Lennox Lewis was Robbed vs Holyfield they always crying about "Boxing Is Dead" only to return a few years later for the next big boxing event.

What casuals is most upset about is that the Villain won on Saturday and Not the "HERO". If Pacquiao fought like Mayweather and won people would be Praising the hell out of Pacquiao and talking about how he fought like Ali

If you thought there was even a slight chance that fight would be entertaining in 2015 you yourself are a "casual", or a journalist getting checks in the mail from Top Rank/Mayweather Promotions.

Anyone aware of Floyd's boring style and Manny's massive decline over the past few years knew this would be a flop.

And no they're not upset that the "villain won", they're probably upset that it was one of the most boring fights ever. Didn't Floyd and Pacquaio each set personal career records for least punches landed over 12 rounds?

[ElMeroChingon]

The thing is that you can be a Pure- boxer and be active. ALot of the older fighters you list are that, and that's why they were exciting to watch.

This era's boxers dont have the fire.

Todays boxers don't let their hands go, no one wants to waste time watching a fight that looks like a "feel out" round all through out.

We're boxing fans, we want to see fighters box, display their skills, you have gloves for a reason, use them.

[-PBP-]

The funny thing is if they change the way boxing is scored because of Floyd, that makes him one of the greatest fighters ever based on that. He beat the game so badly it got broken and needed to be overhauled.

If you force a change like that over a whole sport how great is that guy? They didn't need to change the sport for any of the greats I am aware of.

If they want to make that argument they are free but they should understand what argument they are really making.

Even if they don't I think it's a testament to his greatness. In a sport where judges clearly favor volume and aggression, he has been excelled by cutting down his opponents volume, controlling the pace and making them adjust to his style.

Fighters like him who can't sustain control for 12 rounds find themselves in controversial decisions or flat out robberies. But he dominates to the point where they can't even get a fight close enough to pull a Whitaker/De La Hoya type of decision on him.

[Tom Cruise]

Big fights not happening or not happening soon enough and a chaotic system is what is hurting (not killing) the sport.

May vs Pac could have happened 3 times already.

All of us could come up with countless fights right now which are not happening due to promotional/ network bs. This hurts the sport. It puts off casuals, and makes networks less willing to invest in boxing.

If boxing was a car we'd be running in about 3rd gear right now. We could be getting so much more out of the sport.

Also several of the richest fighters in the sport are outfighters (Mayweather, Klitschko), not to mention one of the most famous in history (Ali).

[Barcham]

The funny thing is if they change the way boxing is scored because of Floyd, that makes him one of the greatest fighters ever based on that. He beat the game so badly it got broken and needed to be overhauled.

If you force a change like that over a whole sport how great is that guy? They didn't need to change the sport for any of the greats I am aware of.

If they want to make that argument they are free but they should understand what argument they are really making.

The problem is that they stopped judging fights properly due to Floyd's hype and popularity. Referees stopped enforcing the rules due to the money Floyd brought to the sport, not because his way of 'fighting' improved boxing in any way. The way I look at it, is if you don't want to exchange punches, if you don't want to get hit, if you don't want to FIGHT, if all you want to do is duck and run and hide, then you are in the wrong sport. Boxing is not for you. Try judo where there are no strikes at all, only throws. Or maybe needlepoint.

[-PBP-]

The problem is that they stopped judging fights properly due to Floyd's hype and popularity. Referees stopped enforcing the rules due to the money Floyd brought to the sport, not because his way of 'fighting' improved boxing in any way. The way I look at it, is if you don't want to exchange punches, if you don't want to get hit, if you don't want to FIGHT, if all you want to do is duck and run and hide, then you are in the wrong sport. Boxing is not for you. Try judo where there are no strikes at all, only throws. Or maybe needlepoint.

When you are 38, in your 4th weight class with hand problems you adapt your style like great fighters do.

[kiaba360]

Of course not. That doesn't mean I particularly enjoy the out-fighting style, but it wouldn't be fun if everyone fought the same either. Not everyone can fight the same either, but I wish the more physically talented fighters would turn up the aggression a bit. Fighting overly cautious is the problem, not the style itself.