Floyd beating Manny means about as much as Lewis beating Tyson

[SergioMartinez]

The thing about it, is we saw a OLD Floyd Mayweather, who has lost alot of his reflexes and alot of his quickness beat Manny Pacquiao.

I think we see the same thing 5 years ago, remember the main issue was Pacs punch output with lowered, it would have been lowered 5 yrs ago too.

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Just proves late-career May beats late-career Pacquiao. We can put that to rest.

The debate of prime versions against each other will live on forever.

[mrgreenfingers]

'Prime manny' of the cotto fight you talk about, cotto was hurt and went on his bike and Manny still had trouble cutting the ring off.

Just face it floyd is a terrible style match up for PAC, suppose its a terrible match up for anyone. But especially for manny, if you think about the physical advantages plus everyone says before this fight Floyd looks nervous in interviews, he talking about retirement, he's accepted the loss blah blah, but once he gets in that ring that's his home.

Also Mayweather just has to be himself against manny to win, its Manny that has to change style, to something he's not very comfortable doing or good at, to even stand chance against floyd, so it would be a UD back in 09 as well, let's be real here.

[Japanese Badass]

This is where you sound ******. Manny relies on "physical attributes" but Floyd is a complete package; he relies on his IQ, physical attributes and supreme boxing skills. Manny was never gonna beat Floyd. Freddy was the one waiting for Mayweather to slow down. How many times must Freddie say this before you guys really pay attention? Even up to this point, it is what Freddy was relying on, not realizing that Floyd does what he has to do...meaning if he has to box, slug, or whatever it takes, he will do to win.

Lol now ur just pulling lies out of your ass. When has Freddie ever specifically said he was waiting for Floyd to slow down before he wanted Manny to face him? Freddie has called out to face Floyd since 2010. Manny has agreed to testing since early 2011 so don't give me that "he ducked the test" crap. Floyd pulled a million excuses from 2010-2014 to avoid Manny (he needs to join mayweather promotions, he needs to leave arum, etc).

The Pac of today 2015 was a shadow of his 2010 self, and both you and floyd and every ther serious boxing fan know this. Floyd ducked prime Pac and no lie you spew is going to turn this around, so stop. Dont be mad because i stated the obvious truth.

[megas30]

I'm sure you don't know sht about boxing. Lewis was also older than Tyson, but Tyson was still more shot due to his youth oriented style. Same thing with manny and floyd. It's not age it's styles.

Manny has declined far more, from stopping cotto to not being able to stop rios. Floyd went from struggling with Oscar to dominating canelo, so he has actually gotten better.

Foyd ducked prime Pac is fact.

Manny hasn't really stopped anyone at the 147, truth be told, he fought Guys who were beaten up in their previous fights. The Cotto fight did nothing for me. I remember the situation surrounding the fight clearly. Cotto didn't have a trainer, had a cut from the clottey fight that didn't healed properly and wanted more time and Arum said no, and he had to fight at 145. Oscar, the same thing, weighed in at 145 and couldn't re-hydrate, trying to use IV needles. Clottey didn't have a trainer and got a bonus after the fight god knows why (rumor he wasn't allowed to re-hydrate). Margarito was destroyed by Mosley. Manny's real test, to see if he had improved, was his fight against a technical fighter like Marquez, and he failed each time after their second fight. Barrera had a damn metal plate in his skull and shouldn't have been in the ring. Morales beat him and he claimed he had to take blood. Prior to Second fight, Morales got beaten badly by Raheem and struggled with weight for the fight.

Ariza had been the best thing in Pac's camp. Listen, stooge, Manny has been a product of good marketing and has reached the pinnacle of the sport; he did what he had to do, but last night he fought a true great who has also declined, but like all decline fighters power and IQ never leaves. To beat Mayweather you have to have a complete package....that is athleticism, IQ, speed, quickness, power, and size. Mayweather made him look ****** and kept trying to do the same things for the entire fight.

[JasonBoxing]

Flowmoes are worse than Lewis fanboys who ran around in 2002 after he beat shot Tyson calling Lewis the goat.

History and real boxing fans know that Floyd avoided the prime Pac from 2009-2011 when he was stopping guys like Oscar hatton and cotto, and only fought him when he was 36 and couldn't even stop Rios and Algieri.

Dont be butthurt because i said the truth, flowmoes.

Only George Foreman called Lewis the GOAT. Nobody else did. Lewis isn't the GOAT Heavyweight but he is a clear top 5 and could very well have beaten the GOAT(Ali).

Your analogy of Tyson/Pac/Floyd/Lewis is seriously seriously flawed. Pac and Tyson would have struggled against Floyd/Lewis on any given day because of styles, not because they were 'shot'.

Floyd's style is extremely frustrating for someone like Pacquaio and Lennox is basically Wladimir Elite, which makes it a nightmare for someone like Tyson.

I'm not going to say Lewis and Floyd are 100% ranked ABOVE Tyson/Pacquaio, but their styles are extremely difficult for the likes of Pac/Tyson.

Floyd is a counter punching defensive first mover that picks a offensive fighter apart. And Lewis is just a massive ATG Punching all around skilled fighter who's 6'5 245 but actually fights EVEN bigger. He also got a freakish reach.

Pac of 2009 would have made the fight more exciting but I don't know if he could have beaten Floyd.

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I don't see the fight being much different due to the styles but who knows...

If Pacquiao still had a killer instinct and better footspeed it could be interesting

O but the thread title is ridiculous

[megadeth]

Just proves late-career May beats late-career Pacquiao. We can put that to rest.

The debate of prime versions against each other will live on forever.

Only with people who don't have the ability to extrapolate information from this fight and come up with an informed opinion. Last time I checked Floyd was #1p4p and Pac was # 2 or 3, so obviously neither is shot and still somewhat close to their peaks.

[Japanese Badass]

Manny hasn't really stopped anyone at the 147, truth be told, he fought Guys who were beaten up in their previous fights. The Cotto fight did nothing for me. I remember the situation surrounding the fight clearly. Cotto didn't have a trainer, had a cut from the clottey fight that didn't healed properly and wanted more time and Arum said no, and he had to fight at 145.

Manny hasn't stopped anyone at 147? Just LOL. He dropped Cotto twice and stopped him. Don't make excuses for Cotto because Cotto himself said he was more or less at his best when he lost to Manny, and he did have a trainer. Cotto even on his worst day is 2-3 classes above the likes of Rios and Algieri. Yet Manny failed to drop Rios even ONCE or stop Algieri ( at catchweight), 2 fighters he would have destroyed 5 years ago. Floyd on the otherhand has a style that gets better with age, and has gotten better since reuniting eith Floyd sr.

Manny has declined far more than Floyd, there's no way you or any other flowmoe can refute this.

Floyd ducked prime Pac.

[Japanese Badass]

Ariza had been the best thing in Pac's camp. Listen, stooge, Manny has been a product of good marketing and has reached the pinnacle of the sport; he did what he had to do, but last night he fought a true great who has also declined, but like all decline fighters power and IQ never leaves. To beat Mayweather you have to have a complete package....that is athleticism, IQ, speed, quickness, power, and size. Mayweather made him look ****** and kept trying to do the same things for the entire fight.

Listen, dumb ass, no one is claiming that Floyd didn't decline as well. But Manny has declined far more and has nowhere NEAR the same power, speed, or stamina he once had. You, Floyd, and every other Flowmoe knows this deep down, yet you keep trying to avoid it. Manny was gassed after 6 rounds in this fight and didnt do sht after that, where as 5 years ago he would have thrown punches until the end of the 12th. In the 4th round he hit Floyd with combinations against the ropes, 5 years ago those same combos from Pac would have put Floyd on his ass just like it did to Cotto.

Now i understand you're pretty excited right now but theres no need to start sucking Mayweather's nuts because he wasnt that impressive either. He won the fight by running/jabbing at range and hugging every time Pac got close. Even the shot Pac from last night won rounds 2,4,6 but was too gassed after that to win by more. Pac from 2010 would have kept up the work rate.

Floyd ducked prime Pac.

Oh and your hero Floyd lost the first Castillo fight.