Defense Now More Important Than Offense

[daggum]

We knew?

So you are now agreeing that Kenny Bayless didn't help matters? As some have tried to state, Manny has to get in range to beat Floyd. Unfortunately, if Manny gets in range, Floyd does those things to negate Manny's offense. Fans were seeing this and booing but Kenny Bayless just did what he usually does. Nothing except separate the two. Same happened in the Maidana fight. I can't just blame Kenny because other refs let FLoyd get away with all that too. So of course, Floyd does it.

and the things he does to negate manny are clearly illegal. clinching=illlegal, bending below the waist=illegal, holding your opponents head down=illegal. sometimes he would properly slip a punch and spin out or even counter and spin out but that was few and far between. why take a risk and fight fair when you know for sure you can shut someone else down? it really was a sham. a couple of punches from the outside per round then just make sure manny doesn't hit you by using illegal tactics. this is why boxing is junk. another reason is because so called "fans of the sport" will defend this junk because they like the guys doing it. as long as your favorite wins thats all that matters i guess.

[100percentTruth]

pacquiao took less damage in this fight, so if defense wins fights pacquiao won, i dont know what people see in running, but damn when someone is running people automatically assume schooling

no one seems to actually pay attention to the punches being landed, whether floyds shots are missing or not, floyds punchstats for awhile have been one of the biggest shams of the sport

Floyd threw more punches and landed more punches than Manny.

[SplitSecond]

Floyd threw more punches and landed more punches than Manny.

floyd threw more jabs, and trusting compubox or shostats or w/e the *** is just ******

floyd has the most skewed punchstats i've ever seen

[LHK]

and the things he does to negate manny are clearly illegal. clinching=illlegal, bending below the waist=illegal, holding your opponents head down=illegal. sometimes he would properly slip a punch and spin out or even counter and spin out but that was few and far between. why take a risk and fight fair when you know for sure you can shut someone else down? it really was a sham. a couple of punches from the outside per round then just make sure manny doesn't hit you by using illegal tactics. this is why boxing is junk. another reason is because so called "fans of the sport" will defend this junk because they like the guys doing it. as long as your favorite wins thats all that matters i guess.

Why do these things become a problem only when Floyd does them? I have never seen anyone punished for clinching the first time they did it. Floyd bends at the waist, but he also bends his knees. Makes it harder to say whether he is bending to far down or just really low. Everyone holds their opponent's head during a fight. Everyone.

[ADP02]

and the things he does to negate manny are clearly illegal. clinching=illlegal, bending below the waist=illegal, holding your opponents head down=illegal. sometimes he would properly slip a punch and spin out or even counter and spin out but that was few and far between. why take a risk and fight fair when you know for sure you can shut someone else down? it really was a sham. a couple of punches from the outside per round then just make sure manny doesn't hit you by using illegal tactics. this is why boxing is junk. another reason is because so called "fans of the sport" will defend this junk because they like the guys doing it. as long as your favorite wins thats all that matters i guess.

Agreed.

I mentioned before the fight that this would happen all night long because the refs let Floyd do all that. Floyd fans kept on saying "but Manny doesn't fight on the inside" but as you saw tonight, he had his best chances from the inside but Floyd kept on doing those things and all Kenny did was pull them apart.

Once Floyd saw that he can do that all night long, his confidence grew just like in the Maidana fight. Floyd had the ref in his pocket.

[LHK]

floyd threw more jabs, and trusting compubox or shostats or w/e the *** is just ******

floyd has the most skewed punchstats i've ever seen

Even if they were skewed, they weren't close enough to make a difference. It didn't help Pacman that Floyd was clearly the bigger puncher of the two. Manny didn't take getting hit well at all. In the 11th when Floyd was walking him down, it was beyond telling.

[Calabis]

It has nothing to do with offense or defense, it's what you do with it. Watching that fight I kept thinking Manny couldn't pull the trigger. Floyd landed that first straight right hand and that was it, the fight was over. Manny was someone surprised a bigger and much better counter puncher than Marquez somehow hit way harder. JMM ruined the killer in Manny, that's when Manny lost to Floyd without question the fight proved it.

People wont see this..but Pac lost all aggression quick

[SplitSecond]

Even if they were skewed, they weren't close enough to make a difference. It didn't help Pacman that Floyd was clearly the bigger puncher of the two. Manny didn't take getting hit well at all. In the 11th when Floyd was walking him down, it was beyond telling.

funny, when floyd was the only one hurt in the fight

[LHK]

funny, when floyd was the only one hurt in the fight

This explains why Manny backed up every time Floyd came forward. Or was gun shy when Floyd was against the ropes. Or why Floyd threw more punches.

Floyd got hit in the 4th, moved back against the ropes, covered up, blocked all of Manny's punches and then walked Manny down. That isn't hurt.

[ADP02]

Why do these things become a problem only when Floyd does them? I have never seen anyone punished for clinching the first time they did it. Floyd bends at the waist, but he also bends his knees. Makes it harder to say whether he is bending to far down or just really low. Everyone holds their opponent's head during a fight. Everyone.

It's not only Floyd but we are discussing tonight's fight that involved Floyd. Fans booed. It was obvious.