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  • jdp28tx
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    Defense Now More Important Than Offense

    What happened to the term offense wins fights? You know I saw the huge size of the ring and I said that is it for Manny. No way can one throw a lot, land a lot, or cutt-off the ring when its 25ft ring. Especially when one is fighting a defensive runner. That is what ticked me off about the so-called experts and tonight's commentators. They think a fighter can cutt-off the ring when its 25ft ring and throw 80 punches a round against a defensive runner in a 25ft ring. It is impossible no matter how good of an offensive fighter one is. You can't force another fighter to stay still, you cannot hold them and make them stay put. It is impossible to keep a high punch output in these circumstances.

    As for Mayweather all of a sudden he comes along and overturns decades of boxing thought and that is changing the rule that offense wins fights to defense wins fights. Yes, defense is part of the scoring, but it is the least important part of scoring and counts the least. All of a sudden throwing 35 punches per rd wins u a fight if you land 50% of them. But that is only a pathetic 17 punches per rd. Even the great defensive master Pernell Whitaker had an amazing offense. Hector Comacho later in his career did what Floyd did and judges would not give him the fights and pundits would criticize him for it. Defense was the least important part of scoring. It was always a huge deal that Willie Pep was once given a round just soley based on defense when he won a rd without throwing a punch that is because defense was thought of so little when scoring a rd.

    This needs to change; no more 25ft rings, no more giving defense so much weight and no more allowing a fighter to win based on an avg of throwing 35 punches per rd.
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    When you you become a man, hopefully you can learn how to lose like one. Smh

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    • 100percentTruth
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      #3
      Originally posted by jdp28tx
      What happened to the term offense wins fights? You know I saw the huge size of the ring and I said that is it for Manny. No way can one throw a lot, land a lot, or cutt-off the ring when its 25ft ring. Especially when one is fighting a defensive runner. That is what ticked me off about the so-called experts and tonight's commentators. They think a fighter can cutt-off the ring when its 25ft ring and throw 80 punches a round against a defensive runner in a 25ft ring. It is impossible no matter how good of an offensive fighter one is. You can't force another fighter to stay still, you cannot hold them and make them stay put. It is impossible to keep a high punch output in these circumstances.

      As for Mayweather all of a sudden he comes along and overturns decades of boxing thought and that is changing the rule that offense wins fights to defense wins fights. Yes, defense is part of the scoring, but it is the least important part of scoring and counts the least. All of a sudden throwing 35 punches per rd wins u a fight if you land 50% of them. But that is only a pathetic 17 punches per rd. Even the great defensive master Pernell Whitaker had an amazing offense. Hector Comacho later in his career did what Floyd did and judges would not give him the fights and pundits would criticize him for it. Defense was the least important part of scoring. It was always a huge deal that Willie Pep was once given a round just soley based on defense when he won a rd without throwing a punch that is because defense was thought of so little when scoring a rd.

      This needs to change; no more 25ft rings, no more giving defense so much weight and no more allowing a fighter to win based on an avg of throwing 35 punches per rd.

      I've never heard that term but I have heard defense wins championships. Maybe you need to rethink your terminology.

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      • SugarRayCurtain
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        #4
        defence dont win fights
        Clean landed punches win fights, how you do that is irrelevant

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        • daggum
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          its a lot easier to do defense when you are allowed to hold and bend below the waist constantly. things that are illegal go unpunished and certain guys know they can do these things to gain advantages. in sparring do you really prepare for a guy bending below the waist everytime you throw punches?

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          • Doctor_Tenma
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            #6
            Originally posted by daggum
            its a lot easier to do defense when you are allowed to hold and bend below the waist constantly. things that are illegal go unpunished and certain guys know they can do these things to gain advantages. in sparring do you really prepare for a guy bending below the waist everytime you throw punches?
            We knew this going in, holding, bending below the waist, putting his weight on top of Pacquiao's neck, all intelligent tactics that others couldn't utilize. I also like how Mayweather would put his left shoulder into Pacquiao's chest as he got close to touching the ropes. Like I said going in, Mayweather will show him a new dynamic.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Doctor_Tenma
              We knew this going in, holding, bending below the waist, putting his weight on top of Pacquiao's neck, all intelligent tactics that others couldn't utilize. I also like how Mayweather would put his left shoulder into Pacquiao's chest as he got close to touching the ropes. Like I said going in, Mayweather will show him a new dynamic.
              that's why boxing is a fringe sport. these guys who cheat and break the rules can win but they don't make for entertaining fights because they have to cheat to win.

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              • SN!PER
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                Defense has always been important, even going back to the days of Jack Johnson. But few fighters are able to employ these tactics the right way.

                This is why Pernell Whitaker, Bernard Hopkins, James Toney, and Floyd Mayweather Jr. have excelled in the sport.

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                • Jcsuper
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by daggum
                  its a lot easier to do defense when you are allowed to hold and bend below the waist constantly. things that are illegal go unpunished and certain guys know they can do these things to gain advantages. in sparring do you really prepare for a guy bending below the waist everytime you throw punches?
                  Come on Daggum I thought you were a better poster by far. Usually you dont take anyside and just troll every fighters and it's really funny but today you sound like a plain pact ard.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Doctor_Tenma
                    We knew this going in, holding, bending below the waist, putting his weight on top of Pacquiao's neck, all intelligent tactics that others couldn't utilize. I also like how Mayweather would put his left shoulder into Pacquiao's chest as he got close to touching the ropes. Like I said going in, Mayweather will show him a new dynamic.
                    In other words, cheating.

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