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  • jdp28tx
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    #201
    Originally posted by Sweet Jones
    Exactly.

    These all-of-a-sudden 'strict constructionist' of the Ali Act are killing me.

    And I'll just repeat what I've said in previous forums: NONE of these promoters and networks really want to wind up in court on this. None of these en****** really want to go under oath and having to be ON RECORD about all the wink-wink deals, all the collusion between promoters and networks to artificially cap boxer purses and freeze out 'managers' and 'advisors', all the under-the-table handshake deals between promoters and sanctioning bodies, etc. And that's not even considering their own collusion with Haymon in the past (LOL at ODLH trying to explain how much he knew about how GBP secured all those prime SHO dates)

    The discovery process for a lawsuit like this could expose alot of folks in the industry. And that's even if the AG wants to pursue it, which is no guarantee when looking at all the loopholes in the law ('advisor' role, actual 'role' of a promoter in securing financing and organizing an event, questionable real 'damage' being done, etc.)

    But y'all keep on hoping though.
    "Strict Constructionist", looks like some1 has access to wikipedia. The term strict constructionist refers to the usually right wing or libertarianist legal view of US constitution. Strict constructionists believe in a narrow and literal reading of the constitution as opposed to those who believe the constitution is a living document that evolves over time. This suit regarding the Ali Act has nothing to do with this term. The Ali Act is a federal statute which when reading it is very clear. And if this case goes to court it will be up to the trier of fact to decide if there is a reasonable belief based on the evidence that Haymon violated the Ali Act and Sherman Act.

    Regarding the discovery process, Haymon is the one getting sued he will be the one who is going to be exposed unless Haymon counter sues, based on what I have no idea. The only one that will be exposed is Al Haymon. As for loopholes in the act, I don't see any loopholes that allow Haymon to do what he is doing. He (wrongly) believes because he calls himself an advisor he is in the clear. Whatever he wants to call himself is irrelevant, because it is his actions that will prove what role he really plays. If his actions are the actions of a promoter or a manager then it is irrelevant if he calls himself an advisor or a ****** chaser. Actually, a judge will be able to see right thru this attempted deception by Haymon.

    Haymon does play the role of a manager, but he thinks he is clever by calling himself an advisor. He does all the actions of a promoter but he has what are called front men, front groups, or front business men to play the promoter. By doing this he thinks is pulling the wool over the eyes of the boxing community, public and government. All it really took was someone with the guts to actually challenge him because his whole business is clearly shady as hell. It is just that he is so arrogant and narcissistic that he thinks he can get away with it. Guess what happens when some1 gets too big for their britches, they get smacked down to size. Just look at what happened to John Gotti.
    Last edited by jdp28tx; 05-02-2015, 05:54 PM.

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    • Mitchell Kane
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      #202
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      Paul Gift ;@MMAanalytics
      Golden Boy & B Hopkins officially sue Al Haymon for violating Ali Act & Sherman Act (antitrust). Seeks $300 million. Reading complaint now.
      Last edited by Mitchell Kane; 05-06-2015, 09:41 AM.

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      • Mitchell Kane
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        #203
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        Chris Mannix ;@ChrisMannixSI
        GBP filed its lawsuit against Al Haymon, Haymon Boxing and Waddle and Reed yesterday. Cites violations of Ali Act, Antitrust, state laws.

        2m2 minutes ago
        Chris Mannix ;@ChrisMannixSI
        GBP is seeking $100 million in damages and a permanent injunction against Haymon operating as a promoter/manager.
        Last edited by Mitchell Kane; 05-06-2015, 09:40 AM.

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        • Mitchell Kane
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          #204
          Chris Mannix ;@ChrisMannixSI
          Lawsuit cites Waddell and Reed's attempt to buy 100% of Golden Boy and force @OscarDeLaHoya to sign a non-compete.

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          • Sweet Jones
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            #205
            Originally posted by jdp28tx
            "Strict Constructionist", looks like some1 has access to wikipedia. The term strict constructionist refers to the usually right wing or libertarianist legal view of US constitution. Strict constructionists believe in a narrow and literal reading of the constitution as opposed to those who believe the constitution is a living document that evolves over time.This suit regarding the Ali Act has nothing to do with this term. The Ali Act is a federal statute which when reading it is very clear. And if this case goes to court it will be up to the trier of fact to decide if there is a reasonable belief based on the evidence that Haymon violated the Ali Act and Sherman Act.
            You're trying too hard, son. Your own explanation tells why I used the term.


            Originally posted by jdp28tx
            Regarding the discovery process, Haymon is the one getting sued he will be the one who is going to be exposed unless Haymon counter sues, based on what I have no idea. The only one that will be exposed is Al Haymon. As for loopholes in the act, I don't see any loopholes that allow Haymon to do what he is doing. He (wrongly) believes because he calls himself an advisor he is in the clear. Whatever he wants to call himself is irrelevant, because it is his actions that will prove what role he really plays. If his actions are the actions of a promoter or a manager then it is irrelevant if he calls himself an advisor or a ****** chaser. Actually, a judge will be able to see right thru this attempted deception by Haymon.
            You don't think Haymon's legal team can find a rationale? You don't think Haymon doesn't the inner workings of GBP methods/practices that could very well show GBP has its own Ali Act problems (collusion with managers like Haymon, strongarm tactics with networks, etc.). "This thing is bigger than Nino Brown!", son.

            Oh yeah, and GBP will also have to show how they were actually damaged too. What exactly, is GBP's 'damage'? As a matter of fact, GBP has benefitted from Haymon's clout and muscle by getting premier SHO dates and having its banner fly exclusively over the ring of those very fights and events that GBP nows claims 'restrain trade in a substantial portion of the market for promotion of Championship-Caliber Boxers'.

            This is no slam dunk case and GBP is probably not the best litigant for it.

            Originally posted by jdp28tx
            Haymon does play the role of a manager, but he thinks he is clever by calling himself an advisor. He does all the actions of a promoter but he has what are called front men, front groups, or front business men to play the promoter. By doing this he thinks is pulling the wool over the eyes of the boxing community, public and government. All it really took was someone with the guts to actually challenge him because his whole business is clearly shady as hell. It is just that he is so arrogant and narcissistic that he thinks he can get away with it. Guess what happens when some1 gets too big for their britches, they get smacked down to size. Just look at what happened to John Gotti.
            "Males shouldn't be jealous, that's a female trait." --Sean Carter

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            • Barcham
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              #206
              If Haymon had a decent legal team that had the proper knowledge and experience, they would have told him to keep his involvement in PBC completely under wraps and allow someone else to run and control it. Or they would have told him not to do it in the first place. But people who have too much money or access to too much money think that they can make their own rules and that people should bow down to them.

              Time and time again they are proven wrong.

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              • North Star
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                #207
                Originally posted by Sweet Jones
                You're trying too hard, son. Your own explanation tells why I used the term.




                You don't think Haymon's legal team can find a rationale? You don't think Haymon doesn't the inner workings of GBP methods/practices that could very well show GBP has its own Ali Act problems (collusion with managers like Haymon, strongarm tactics with networks, etc.). "This thing is bigger than Nino Brown!", son.

                Oh yeah, and GBP will also have to show how they were actually damaged too. What exactly, is GBP's 'damage'? As a matter of fact, GBP has benefitted from Haymon's clout and muscle by getting premier SHO dates and having its banner fly exclusively over the ring of those very fights and events that GBP nows claims 'restrain trade in a substantial portion of the market for promotion of Championship-Caliber Boxers'.

                This is no slam dunk case and GBP is probably not the best litigant for it.



                "Males shouldn't be jealous, that's a female trait." --Sean Carter
                GBP suffered no damages? How about Schaeffer working in collusion with Haymon to essentially steal all of GBP's fighters? The history shows the Schaeffer did not act in the best interests of the company he was CEO for, and instead, purposely stole assets and tried to jump ship to Haymon's side. That fact alone spells out the damages that GBP ensued by actions of Haymon.

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                • Beater_of_ass
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                  #208
                  Originally posted by Sweet Jones
                  You're trying too hard, son. Your own explanation tells why I used the term.




                  You don't think Haymon's legal team can find a rationale? You don't think Haymon doesn't the inner workings of GBP methods/practices that could very well show GBP has its own Ali Act problems (collusion with managers like Haymon, strongarm tactics with networks, etc.). "This thing is bigger than Nino Brown!", son.

                  Oh yeah, and GBP will also have to show how they were actually damaged too. What exactly, is GBP's 'damage'? As a matter of fact, GBP has benefitted from Haymon's clout and muscle by getting premier SHO dates and having its banner fly exclusively over the ring of those very fights and events that GBP nows claims 'restrain trade in a substantial portion of the market for promotion of Championship-Caliber Boxers'.

                  This is no slam dunk case and GBP is probably not the best litigant for it.



                  "Males shouldn't be jealous, that's a female trait." --Sean Carter
                  Haymon and Schaefer tried to buy Oscars company directly from him. Prior to that all talent was being signed to Al Haymon, not Golden Boy promotions. It's why Al got sued for $50 mil once from Oscar and they settled out of court for well over $10 million, I think it was Rafael who said he heard $25 million. Oscar still ended up keeping some of his talent anyway, Haymon got some but he still had to pay a ****load of money.

                  Now, it seems that Oscar and his lawyers have some confidence and a ruling against Haymon already with some shady practices. That'll be used in court against him and well... Oscar doesn't even have to worry about legal fee's because the previous settlement pays for it I'm sure.
                  Last edited by Beater_of_ass; 05-06-2015, 12:30 PM.

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                  • Sweet Jones
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                    #209
                    Originally posted by North Star
                    GBP suffered no damages? How about Schaeffer working in collusion with Haymon to essentially steal all of GBP's fighters? The history shows the Schaeffer did not act in the best interests of the company he was CEO for, and instead, purposely stole assets and tried to jump ship to Haymon's side. That fact alone spells out the damages that GBP ensued by actions of Haymon.
                    They were already under an 'advisor' contract with Haymon. Again, fighters are under no legal obligation to be signed with a promoter, and none of them joined a rival promoter based on any action from Schaeffer.

                    So, 'stole' his fighters how? They're grown men, not GBP property.

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                    • thabanga510
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                      #210
                      Haymon is a smart man, I know he was already prepared for these lawsuits.

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