Why don't people acknowledge Joe Calzaghes Undefeated record?

[spytactics]

When people talk about undefeated records, they talk about Rocky Marciano and Floyd Mayweather Jr. They don't seem to bring up Calzaghe at all.

Now obviously Joe's countrymen feel that he is a ATG, and one of the best.

He did beat two Big names in jones and hopkins...mayweather has beaten dlh so....

[IronDanHamza]

He's a white boy.

What race is Marciano, genius?

[daggum]

It only happens on forums because most forum regulars are computer geeks that don't understand just how hard it is to put on relentless pressure the way Joe did. In my experience, bring up Calzaghe in a boxing gym and the name garners nothing but respect. The guy was the poster boy for conditioning and workrate. Conditioning is the hardest and most unpleasant form of training but it means everything in the ring. Yea, most people know him for his later fights, when his hands were brittle and wrecked. But, he was an aggressive SOB who beat guys by being unrelenting. He was past prime by the time he was able to land the big fights in America.

you make it seem like he was trying to land the big fights when he clearly was not. he was scared of flying remember?

[daggum]

I just think its because he didnt fight out here and he was like Roman Gonzalez in that sense, and by the time he came here it was too late. Although he made quite an impression

I still think Froch would have won lol

But I think highly of Carl Froch

gonzales is 27 years old and has already beaten the best guy in 3 divisions. calzaghe was 35 when he did that in one divisoin. how can you compare them?

[Suckmedry]

Because his resume is diabolical.

Fought 3 fighters in the top 5 in his entire career, one was Jeff Lacy and another was a razor close decision over a 44 year old Hopkins.

That's why.

This ^^

Joe was a damn good fighter though. Awkward bastard, southpaw, fast hands, great work rate and great use of angles. H2h he gives plenty of great fighters trouble and the Hopkins and Kessler fights show this.


But his resume is just severely lacking compared to an ATG standard, i personally place him as a near great. Surefire Hofer but lacks the resume for ATG status.

[Suckmedry]

I know punch stats aren't the end all be all in boxing but its hard to imagine a guy who outlands the other guy in total punches and power punches in EVERY single round and lose. Oh yeah Calzaghe was also more efficient too. Hopkins got outworked. Plain and simple.

He did indeed. However hopkins defence and clean punching + the kd made it a close fight. From memory. A draw would have been not an outrageous result, but Calzaghe winning was fair also.

[Spray_resistant]

He didn't really have many notable wins until the last few fights in his career. As for the Hopkins fight, its silly when people try to discredit the win and point to how many of Joe's punches were slappy or didn't land clean as if Hopkins just has to show up and automatically wins unless he gets trounced. He didn't do anything of note in the fight from rd 4 on, I had it 115-112 and clearly remember scoring 123 and 10 for Hopkins and every other rd for Joe.

[Ray*]

Oh sh.t Daggum just won the lottery.

[Ray*]

What race is Marciano, genius?

Green lol..................

[dynomyte1444]

He just never fought anyone that was good or in their prime except one person who wasnt that good