Why don't people acknowledge Joe Calzaghes Undefeated record?

[Pigeons]

His 2nd and 3rd best wins were vs. past prime 40+ year old fighters.

[daggum]

I wonder what people here in America would think of Calzaghe if he was American. Like how high would they rate him.

As it stands any mention of Calzaghe to American boxing fans is met with a "meh whatever", but if he was one of our own, he'd probably be being discussed at this forum daily on where he ranks on the ATG list.

um no. calzaghe did what santa cruz is doing now except calzaghe did it for ten years! why would americans like that? in ten years if santa cruz gets a gift over 44 year old rigo will he be as great as calzaghe?

[IFightDirty]

I scored it 114-113 Hopkins.

I know punch stats aren't the end all be all in boxing but its hard to imagine a guy who outlands the other guy in total punches and power punches in EVERY single round and lose. Oh yeah Calzaghe was also more efficient too. Hopkins got outworked. Plain and simple.

[vorgaphe]

How can anyone have Hopkins winning that fight? Joe was clearly a very good fighter, but he suffered from taking the Wilder route in the first 2/3 of his career.

[Scott9945]

I scored it 114-113 Hopkins.

Every single card that I've seen scored for Hopkins was the same, a one point margin if you give Hopkins every possible break. Most of the cards correctly had Calzaghe by 2-3 points.

[daggum]

I know punch stats aren't the end all be all in boxing but its hard to imagine a guy who outlands the other guy in total punches and power punches in EVERY single round and lose. Oh yeah Calzaghe was also more efficient too. Hopkins got outworked. Plain and simple.

the stats are wrong that's how. it's been proven. did you even watch the fight? you could clearly see calzaghe missing yet you didn't think it was strange that compubox had him landing so much? they went back and counted again and hopkins outlanded him by far and with the much better punches. i'm sure you will change your score now that you know this new info lol

[daggum]

Every single card that I've seen scored for Hopkins was the same, a one point margin if you give Hopkins every possible break. Most of the cards correctly had Calzaghe by 2-3 points.

no if you give every possible break to calzaghe its still 114-113 hopkins. that's why its a robbery. hopkins clearly won at least 6 rounds. you could easily give hopkins the first 8. calzaghe didn't clearly win a round till 9. people were way too generous to calzaghe and not generous enough to the guy landing punches instead of missing and running into punches.

[Scott9945]

no if you give every possible break to calzaghe its still 114-113 hopkins. that's why its a robbery. hopkins clearly won at least 6 rounds. you could easily give hopkins the first 8. calzaghe didn't clearly win a round till 9. people were way too generous to calzaghe and not generous enough to the guy landing punches instead of missing and running into punches.

If you get that score giving Joe every possible break, how come I've never seen a score for Hopkins by more than one point? Surely someone would have given some of the close ones to Hopkins. Unless of course you give points to Hopkins for faking fouls.

[Marcello]

His resume is a lot better than Sven Ottke's.

[STEELHEAD]

Slapsie's record, while not as bad as the average NSBer makes out, isn't stellar. His last fight was against Royston Jones' granddad, for God's sake, and he nearly got KO'd in the first round.

As Carl Froch once said "his career's got more question marks than the Riddler's cat suit".

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