Comments Thread For: Mayweather Sr: Floyd Not The Same, But Beats All at 147

[hitking]

How was Pacquiao unbalanced? He did what he had to do against Algieri and made every significant shot count. If he has slipped as much as you claimed, then that fight sure hasn't showed it.

Also, you can't crap on his competition when he's fought Bradley, a much better opponent than Floyd's recent three.

The same Bradley that went life-n-death with Provodnikov? You really think Bradley would beat Canelo? Or Cotto?

[Mr. Punch-Out!!]

You see what you want to see.

Two of Manny's last three opponents were C and D-level fighters. Brandon Rios is a tomato can. The Pacquiao-Algieri fight was, on paper, nearly as silly as Garcia-Salka.

In his last three fights, Floyd thoroughly outclassed a man who entered the ring as a super middleweight and is supposedly the future of boxing (Canelo). I wasn't very impressed with his performances against Maidana, but saying that Floyd "darn near looked shot" in a fight where he landed more than half his total punches and over 60% of his power punches leads me to question whether your bias hasn't blinded you.

Bottom line: Floyd beat Maidana, who has proven to be a very tough cookie, particularly in fights where he's the underdog. Prior to fighting Floyd, he had won six of his last seven fights, four by knockout, against fairly decent opposition. Before fighting Floyd, he was certainly two or three classes above names like Rios and Algieri.

Come May 3, I suspect you'll realize that fights against the likes of Rios and Algieri told us a lot less about Pacquiao than you seem to believe. A number of the fighters who have been vying for the opportunity to fight Floyd would be much more problematic for Floyd than Manny, and they actually have the recent performances to back up their worthiness.

Tell me you're not going to sit there and say that Floyd's first fight against Maidana was anything impressive? He showed almost none of the elusiveness he's known for and instead got bullied on the ropes taking shots he certainly isn't suppose to take.

While we all know Maidana is as tough and game as they come, his biggest accomplishment was pulling off the upset over an overhyped Broner and even before that, he was taking fights to slowly bounce back from his loss to Devon Alexander but none of his fights proved that he was suddenly on the level of Mayweather or Pacquiao. To be honest, Maidana was really no better than Algieri when it came to being compared to the bigger names in the welterweight division. There's a reason hardly anybody cared for both fights.

You keep bringing up Rios (a tune up fight after he got KO'd) and Algieri, but why don't you bring up Bradley, someone who has truly proven himself by decisively beating Marquez? At this point, it's clear that Bradley is in a higher position in the welterweight division than Maidana and Pacquiao has beaten him twice.

The same Bradley that went life-n-death with Provodnikov? You really think Bradley would beat Canelo? Or Cotto?

Those guys aren't even welterweights.

But if they were then yeah, I say Bradley has a chance and can outbox both of them (not come out fighting like he did against Provodnikov, though).

[tiliheels]

whatever man...i just want to see if floyd can counter pacquaio as effectively as he has with guys like maidana, marquez, alvarez, guerrero, etc...as skilled as he is, he is 38, and those reflexes go at some time...

takin in wat i just said..the guy was still sharp for late round with marcos wild angle shots..broner is not push over looping shots are not the norm..if u didnt know floyd was going to get beat bad by maidana in a close right from dirty work i dont know how u think u know boxing..when he got on the outside maidana really had no success and me and even more boxers think floyd speed was there in his pull counters and lead right hands...
20 extra lbs laying on you, punches in any dirty spot u can think of dont expect to see a fresh guy...maidana is not better than cotto but styles make fights and only a dirty style can beat floyd

[12TRIBEsRiSe]

The same Bradley that went life-n-death with Provodnikov? You really think Bradley would beat Canelo? Or Cotto?

bradley gets overrated by pac fans here for obvious reasons, hes was pretty good at 140 but at WW hes overrated imo

[GOD-FR33]

Fact........

This is the definition of delusional. One could reasonably argue that Pacquiao has taken more punishment in individual fights that Floyd has taken in his entire career. I mean, Freddie Roach thought Manny might have been dead after Marquez turned his lights off.

Even in Pacquiao's last three fights, two of which were against C and D-level opponents, Pacquiao was hurt by Tim Bradley, who is not a huge puncher, and admitted to being hurt by Brandon Rios.



This needs to be repeated. The fact that Floyd and his team recognize he's aging is a good thing. The greatest threat any fighter faces is himself. If you come into the ring not knowing who you are and what you're physically capable of, there's a good chance your opponent will figure it out for you.

Pacquiao and his team, on the other hand, appear to be in complete denial. They're expecting a guy who hasn't achieved a knockout since 2009 to come in and completely overwhelm a fighter who is not only the world's most skilled boxer but the naturally larger man. What's the Plan B when that doesn't happen? There doesn't appear to be one.

Not at all. What I said is more like fact, if you're not a fanboy. Noone can argue that Floyd has taken more shots in the last three fights, than Manny. NOBODY. I am done arguing. It's fight week. See you May 3rd.

[BoxingFan82]

Tell me you're not going to sit there and say that Floyd's first fight against Maidana was anything impressive? He showed almost none of the elusiveness he's known for and instead got bullied on the ropes taking shots he certainly isn't suppose to take.

While we all know Maidana is as tough and game as they come, his biggest accomplishment was pulling off the upset over an overhyped Broner and even before that, he was taking fights to slowly bounce back from his loss to Devon Alexander but none of his fights proved that he was suddenly on the level of Mayweather or Pacquiao. To be honest, Maidana was really no better than Algieri when it came to being compared to the bigger names in the welterweight division. There's a reason hardly anybody cared for both fights.

You keep bringing up Rios (a tune up fight after he got KO'd) and Algieri, but why don't you bring up Bradley, someone who has truly proven himself by decisively beating Marquez? At this point, it's clear that Bradley is in a higher position in the welterweight division than Maidana and Pacquiao has beaten him twice.

If you care to look, you can go back and read my comments about Floyd's performances against Maidana. I wasn't impressed. But as I stated, Maidana is a tough cookie who has made a career of performing better than an objective analysis of his physical attributes and skills would suggest he's capable of.

He's been a legitimate champ, and while you mention Broner, you seem to forget the other quality opponents who he has either defeated or gave runs for their money, including Josesito Lopez, Jesus Soto Karass, Amir Khan, Chop Chop Corley and Victor Ortiz. If by chance you want to criticize Maidana's resume, you probably shouldn't talk so glowingly about Pacquiao's recent opponents. Like I said, Pacquiao-Algeri was almost as bad as Garcia-Salka, and perhaps even more embarrassing for boxing because it was actually a PPV.

Bottom line: Maidana is classes above Rios and Algieri, and as someone else here pointed out, he would probably give just about anybody he faces at 147 problems. Despite this, Floyd beat him twice and while I was disappointed with Floyd's performance in the rematch, you can't dispute that his strategy was effective if you look at the punchstat numbers.

Bradley is a good fighter but that doesn't mean that Pacquiao-Bradley II tells us much about Mayweather-Pacquiao. There are probably half a dozen other fighters at 147 who are more problematic opponents for Floyd than Bradley, which is why you don't see fans demanding Floyd face Bradley. Bradley might not be feather-fisted, but he's small for the division and prone to engaging in wars that he doesn't need to. The Provodnikov fight was a disaster, and he chose an odd strategy in his second fight with Pacquiao.

As Mayweather stated after watching the Pacquiao-Bradley rematch, "I think both fighters fought like amateurs." Manny couldn't finish Bradley off and despite his less-than-stellar performance, Bradley managed to hit Manny with a number of right hands, including the one in the fourth that had Manny hurt. If Bradley can have success with the right, and hurt Manny with it, there's no reason to believe that Floyd's right won't find a home and do damage too.

Floyd is naturally larger and stronger than Bradley, punches harder and with more accuracy, is a much better boxer and has never opted to fight a war he didn't need to. If you want to give Manny a cookie for decisioning Bradley, go ahead but you'll have to perform mental gymnastics to figure out how a decision over a sloppy Bradley predicts a knockout over Floyd.

[QballLobo]

Sr. also said his son lost to ODL.

[-DSG-]

That's why Brook,Thurman, and Khan could all beat him now.

[hitking]

Tell me you're not going to sit there and say that Floyd's first fight against Maidana was anything impressive? He showed almost none of the elusiveness he's known for and instead got bullied on the ropes taking shots he certainly isn't suppose to take.

While we all know Maidana is as tough and game as they come, his biggest accomplishment was pulling off the upset over an overhyped Broner and even before that, he was taking fights to slowly bounce back from his loss to Devon Alexander but none of his fights proved that he was suddenly on the level of Mayweather or Pacquiao. To be honest, Maidana was really no better than Algieri when it came to being compared to the bigger names in the welterweight division. There's a reason hardly anybody cared for both fights.

You keep bringing up Rios (a tune up fight after he got KO'd) and Algieri, but why don't you bring up Bradley, someone who has truly proven himself by decisively beating Marquez? At this point, it's clear that Bradley is in a higher position in the welterweight division than Maidana and Pacquiao has beaten him twice.



Those guys aren't even welterweights.

But if they were then yeah, I say Bradley has a chance and can outbox both of them (not come out fighting like he did against Provodnikov, though).

LOL!!!!! "Those guys aren't even welterweights." You kinda made my point. They aren't welterweights, but Floyd is, and he still heat them. I'm not a big triangle theory guy. The fact is you say Bradley is superior to Floyd's recent comp. Yet, you don't think Bradley beats Floyd's recent comp. Doesn't that sound a lil ridiculous to you? Cause it does to me.

[mathed]

The same Bradley that went life-n-death with Provodnikov? You really think Bradley would beat Canelo? Or Cotto?

Please, Bradley got depressed and went up to 185 pounds after the Pac fight. He had to lose 20 pounds in about a week and a half heading into the Provo fight. Bradley would smack Floyd around the ring. Once he saw how Pac was able to still land punches even after Bradley was super elusive, he made up his mind that he was going to permaduck. That's why Moonves had to be called in to show Floyd who the real boss is.