Comments Thread For: Mayweather Sr: Floyd Not The Same, But Beats All at 147

[BoxingFan82]

Not at all. What I said is more like fact, if you're not a fanboy. Noone can argue that Floyd has taken more shots in the last three fights, than Manny. NOBODY. I am done arguing. It's fight week. See you May 3rd.

When you can't win on facts, pretend like you're arguing over something else.

Since your memory seems to be in question, here's your original statement:

Manny is not the same either BUT he's fresher than Floyd, believe it or not. His last three fights prove it. He hasn't taken any punishment, at all. The year he took off did wonders for him. Floyd is going to get a beating.

Manny Pacquiao admitted to being hurt by both Rios and Bradley:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0umPsHEY2Hg

http://www.spin.ph/sports/boxing/news/scary-moment-for-roach-as-manny-pacquiao-admits-getting-hurt-by-big-bradley-right-in-fourth-round-v02

No punishment, though, right?

See you on May 3.

[mathed]

bradley gets overrated by pac fans here for obvious reasons, hes was pretty good at 140 but at WW hes overrated imo

Yeah, must be overrated by ring and all the other organizations too then. He was good enough to beat the roided JMM that took PAC out.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Not a good sign for floyd if daddy is saying he ain't the same...

Maybe all the rumors of Floyd's sparring are true and his legs and reflexes are diminished

[hitking]

Please, Bradley got depressed and went up to 185 pounds after the Pac fight. He had to lose 20 pounds in about a week and a half heading into the Provo fight. Bradley would smack Floyd around the ring. Once he saw how Pac was able to still land punches even after Bradley was super elusive, he made up his mind that he was going to permaduck. That's why Moonves had to be called in to show Floyd who the real boss is.

Look forward to the death of this handle, and the birth of your new ALT come Sun morning. Cause you're a pure f.uck'n idiot.

[Mr. Punch-Out!!]

If you care to look, you can go back and read my comments about Floyd's performances against Maidana. I wasn't impressed. But as I stated, Maidana is a tough cookie who has made a career of performing better than an objective analysis of his physical attributes and skills would suggest he's capable of.

He's been a legitimate champ, and while you mention Broner, you seem to forget the other quality opponents who he has either defeated or gave runs for their money, including Josesito Lopez, Jesus Soto Karass, Amir Khan, Chop Chop Corley and Victor Ortiz. If by chance you want to criticize Maidana's resume, you probably shouldn't talk so glowingly about Pacquiao's recent opponents. Like I said, Pacquiao-Algeri was almost as bad as Garcia-Salka, and perhaps even more embarrassing for boxing because it was actually a PPV.

Bottom line: Maidana is classes above Rios and Algieri, and as someone else here pointed out, he would probably give just about anybody he faces at 147 problems. Despite this, Floyd beat him twice and while I was disappointed with Floyd's performance in the rematch, you can't dispute that his strategy was effective if you look at the punchstat numbers.

Bradley is a good fighter but that doesn't mean that Pacquiao-Bradley II tells us much about Mayweather-Pacquiao. There are probably half a dozen other fighters at 147 who are more problematic opponents for Floyd than Bradley, which is why you don't see fans demanding Floyd face Bradley. Bradley might not be feather-fisted, but he's small for the division and prone to engaging in wars that he doesn't need to. The Provodnikov fight was a disaster, and he chose an odd strategy in his second fight with Pacquiao.

As Mayweather stated after watching the Pacquiao-Bradley rematch, "I think both fighters fought like amateurs." Manny couldn't finish Bradley off and despite his less-than-stellar performance, Bradley managed to hit Manny with a number of right hands, including the one in the fourth that had Manny hurt. If Bradley can have success with the right, and hurt Manny with it, there's no reason to believe that Floyd's right won't find a home and do damage too.

Floyd is naturally larger and stronger than Bradley, punches harder and with more accuracy, is a much better boxer and has never opted to fight a war he didn't need to. If you want to give Manny a cookie for decisioning Bradley, go ahead but you'll have to perform mental gymnastics to figure out how a decision over a sloppy Bradley predicts a knockout over Floyd.

Who said anything about it predicting a knockout win? This is merely about which fighter has slipped the most and whether you want to believe it or not, Floyd struggling with Maidana is a much bigger concern than Pacquiao's rematch with Bradley.

You keep mentioning Maidana would make any fighter look bad at 147 but to be honest, I think that's just an excuse to justify Floyd's struggle with him. Maidana was always tough, that much we know but stylistic wise, there's a reason he's a B-level opponent at best and it's also why people knew he wouldn't beat Floyd in either matches. Heck look at the guys you mentoned that he already beat; those guys aren't exactly high level opponents and he still lost to guys like Amir Khan (who so far hasn't done enough at welterweight) and Devon Alexander (who is definitely not on Floyd's level).

Also, I wasn't praising Algieri or Rios's resume but it's obvious why he took the Rios fight since that was after his KO loss to Marquez and Algieri pull off an upset win in a match was suppose to setup an opponent for Pacquiao. How do you compare that to Rod Salka (a REAL cherry pick), I have no idea.

But you can't dispute Bradley. Him beating Marquez more decisively than Pacquiao (in many people's eyes) is an accomplishment that beats out anything Maidana has done. He has shown that he deserves to be in this level before the Pacquiao fight.

LOL!!!!! "Those guys aren't even welterweights." You kinda made my point. They aren't welterweights, but Floyd is, and he still heat them. I'm not a big triangle theory guy. The fact is you say Bradley is superior to Floyd's recent comp. Yet, you don't think Bradley beats Floyd's recent comp. Doesn't that sound a lil ridiculous to you? Cause it does to me.

Is Maidana a middleweight? Is Robert Guerrero a middleweight?

I also never said I didn't think Bradley could beat Cotto and Canelo. At this point, I don't know but if Bradley decides to move up, then I'll see for sure but it's funny you bring up Cotto (when Pacquiao has already beaten him) and then Canelo, but want to ignore his actual welterweight fights (where Pacquiao has done better at lately).

[TheWinners]

You guys do realize it's a reason his dad said he'd whoop everyone at 147 right? That's because his last 3 fights we're against guys much bigger than him. Maidana, Canelo, hell Cotto. The last time he fought someone his same size or smaller was when he fought Guerrero. This guy Pacquiao is in over his head. Mayweather's going to be happy to fight someone who is actually in his weight class. And he's going to dominate.

Floyd's toughest fight was Cotto. And you guys have to realize when someone fights Mayweather, they are putting in extra work like never before. So the Maidana he fought, was not the same Maidana from before. That's what makes Mayweather's dominance that good. Of course he's not going to be the same, he's 38 years old. But he's still better than everyone in the division. I'd love to see his last fight be Thurman. We'll see.