Comments Thread For: Mayweather Sr: Floyd Not The Same, But Beats All at 147

[BoxingFan82]

Manny is not the same either BUT he's fresher than Floyd, believe it or not. His last three fights prove it. He hasn't taken any punishment, at all. The year he took off did wonders for him. Floyd is going to get a beating.

This is the definition of delusional. One could reasonably argue that Pacquiao has taken more punishment in individual fights that Floyd has taken in his entire career. I mean, Freddie Roach thought Manny might have been dead after Marquez turned his lights off.

Even in Pacquiao's last three fights, two of which were against C and D-level opponents, Pacquiao was hurt by Tim Bradley, who is not a huge puncher, and admitted to being hurt by Brandon Rios.

Floyd seems to simply embrace that he's declined physically. And has made the changes in style and training to prolong himself. In contrast, Team Pac seems to be depending on Manny turning back the clock simply because its Floyd.

This needs to be repeated. The fact that Floyd and his team recognize he's aging is a good thing. The greatest threat any fighter faces is himself. If you come into the ring not knowing who you are and what you're physically capable of, there's a good chance your opponent will figure it out for you.

Pacquiao and his team, on the other hand, appear to be in complete denial. They're expecting a guy who hasn't achieved a knockout since 2009 to come in and completely overwhelm a fighter who is not only the world's most skilled boxer but the naturally larger man. What's the Plan B when that doesn't happen? There doesn't appear to be one.

[mrpizza-nd_beer]

Floyd Sr is full of shiet. Floyd didn't beat Maidana in the first fight. Only Flowmos believe that. Pillow gloves and all Floyd still lost that one.

[Mr. Punch-Out!!]

If you look at Manny's fight eith Algeri and see how unbalanced he was. How he plodded. How he was basically firing a single shot at a time. You'd realize how ****** thos post is. I'm not even saying Manny can't win. I'm just saying he's slipped far more than his supporters wanna believe. And he's basically feasted on ****ty competition since being starched. New league Sat homie.

How was Pacquiao unbalanced? He did what he had to do against Algieri and made every significant shot count. If he has slipped as much as you claimed, then that fight sure hasn't showed it.

Also, you can't crap on his competition when he's fought Bradley, a much better opponent than Floyd's recent three.

[Mr. Punch-Out!!]

This is the definition of delusional. One could reasonably argue that Pacquiao has taken more punishment in individual fights that Floyd has taken in his entire career. I mean, Freddie Roach thought Manny might have been dead after Marquez turned his lights off.

Even in Pacquiao's last three fights, two of which were against C and D-level opponents, Pacquiao was hurt by Tim Bradley, who is not a huge puncher, and admitted to being hurt by Brandon Rios.

I don't think anybody has argued that Pacquiao has declined physically but in the three last recent fights, Pacquiao has done better against his opponents than Floyd has. That punch from Bradley didn't really do any real impact on Pacquiao to change the fight and I think you guys also underestimate Bradley's power. Same thing with Rios; you couldn't tell Manny was hurt in that fight, seeing how he completely shutout Rios.

Meanwhile, Floyd darn near looked shot in his first fight against Maidana (someone who he was suppose easily school) and then a put on a rather average performance against him in the rematch (where he still got caught with a good shot and was visibly hurt from it too). Floyd himself admitted that he was hit with shots he shouldn't have been hit with. That's two fights in a row against an underdog and that to me is not a good sign.

[djtmal]

interested in how floyd's reflexes look against pacquaio...how he reacted to maidana's speed wouldn't be a good gauge at this stage...

[BoxingFan82]

I don't think anybody has argued that Pacquiao has declined physically but in the three last recent fights, Pacquiao has done better against his opponents than Floyd has. That punch from Bradley didn't really do any real impact on Pacquiao to change the fight and I think you guys also underestimate Bradley's power. Same thing with Rios; you couldn't tell Manny was hurt in that fight, seeing how he completely shutout Rios.

Meanwhile, Floyd darn near looked shot in his first fight against Maidana (someone who he was suppose easily school) and then a put on a rather average performance against him in the rematch (where he still got caught with a good shot and was visibly hurt from it too). Floyd himself admitted that he was hit with shots he shouldn't have been hit with. That's two fights in a row against an underdog and that to me is not a good sign.

You see what you want to see.

Two of Manny's last three opponents were C and D-level fighters. Brandon Rios is a tomato can. The Pacquiao-Algieri fight was, on paper, nearly as silly as Garcia-Salka.

In his last three fights, Floyd thoroughly outclassed a man who entered the ring as a super middleweight and is supposedly the future of boxing (Canelo). I wasn't very impressed with his performances against Maidana, but saying that Floyd "darn near looked shot" in a fight where he landed more than half his total punches and over 60% of his power punches leads me to question whether your bias hasn't blinded you.

Bottom line: Floyd beat Maidana, who has proven to be a very tough cookie, particularly in fights where he's the underdog. Prior to fighting Floyd, he had won six of his last seven fights, four by knockout, against fairly decent opposition. Before fighting Floyd, he was certainly two or three classes above names like Rios and Algieri.

Come May 3, I suspect you'll realize that fights against the likes of Rios and Algieri told us a lot less about Pacquiao than you seem to believe. A number of the fighters who have been vying for the opportunity to fight Floyd would be much more problematic for Floyd than Manny, and they actually have the recent performances to back up their worthiness.

You're expecting this weekend's fight to look like it would have in 2008, but for better or worse, it's 2015.

[tiliheels]

interested in how floyd's reflexes look against pacquaio...how he reacted to maidana's speed wouldn't be a good gauge at this stage...

it had nothing to do with maidanas speed..pacquioa doesnt start off hitting you in the neck from round 1...every seen a guy lay on his opponent neck and tire him out?? kell brook/sean porter?? klit vs everyone?? maidana took that strategy and turned it into punches...ever heard of equilibrium?? thats why floyd refused the ropes the 2nd fight and looked much much better although he didnt get to put on the show he wanted to b/c he had to move so much

[djtmal]

it had nothing to do with maidanas speed..pacquioa doesnt start off hitting you in the neck from round 1...every seen a guy lay on his opponent neck and tire him out?? kell brook/sean porter?? klit vs everyone?? maidana took that strategy and turned it into punches...ever heard of equilibrium?? thats why floyd refused the ropes the 2nd fight and looked much much better although he didnt get to put on the show he wanted to b/c he had to move so much

whatever man...i just want to see if floyd can counter pacquaio as effectively as he has with guys like maidana, marquez, alvarez, guerrero, etc...as skilled as he is, he is 38, and those reflexes go at some time...

[12TRIBEsRiSe]

You see what you want to see.

Two of Manny's last three opponents were C and D-level fighters. Brandon Rios is a tomato can. The Pacquiao-Algieri fight was, on paper, nearly as silly as Garcia-Salka.

In his last three fights, Floyd thoroughly outclassed a man who entered the ring as a super middleweight and is supposedly the future of boxing (Canelo). I wasn't very impressed with his performances against Maidana, but saying that Floyd "darn near looked shot" in a fight where he landed more than half his total punches and over 60% of his power punches leads me to question whether your bias hasn't blinded you.

Bottom line: Floyd beat Maidana, who has proven to be a very tough cookie, particularly in fights where he's the underdog. Prior to fighting Floyd, he had won six of his last seven fights, four by knockout, against fairly decent opposition. Before fighting Floyd, he was certainly two or three classes above names like Rios and Algieri.

Come May 3, I suspect you'll realize that fights against the likes of Rios and Algieri told us a lot less about Pacquiao than you seem to believe. A number of the fighters who have been vying for the opportunity to fight Floyd would be much more problematic for Floyd than Manny, and they actually have the recent performances to back up their worthiness.

You're expecting this weekend's fight to look like it would have in 2008, but for better or worse, it's 2015.

there isnt any WW right now who will look good against chino with garcia in his corner, some may beat him but it will be tough for them all

[Bronx2245]

You see what you want to see.

Two of Manny's last three opponents were C and D-level fighters. Brandon Rios is a tomato can. The Pacquiao-Algieri fight was, on paper, nearly as silly as Garcia-Salka.

In his last three fights, Floyd thoroughly outclassed a man who entered the ring as a super middleweight and is supposedly the future of boxing (Canelo). I wasn't very impressed with his performances against Maidana, but saying that Floyd "darn near looked shot" in a fight where he landed more than half his total punches and over 60% of his power punches leads me to question whether your bias hasn't blinded you.

Bottom line: Floyd beat Maidana, who has proven to be a very tough cookie, particularly in fights where he's the underdog. Prior to fighting Floyd, he had won six of his last seven fights, four by knockout, against fairly decent opposition. Before fighting Floyd, he was certainly two or three classes above names like Rios and Algieri.

Come May 3, I suspect you'll realize that fights against the likes of Rios and Algieri told us a lot less about Pacquiao than you seem to believe. A number of the fighters who have been vying for the opportunity to fight Floyd would be much more problematic for Floyd than Manny, and they actually have the recent performances to back up their worthiness.

You're expecting this weekend's fight to look like it would have in 2008, but for better or worse, it's 2015.

Good post! If either fighter has been prepared for this fight, by judging their recent fights, it's definitely Floyd. Floyd got chin checked by much bigger opponents like Maidana, Canelo, and Cotto, while Manny fought much lesser opponents in Rios, Bradley, and Algeri. We won't even mention catch weights or the Marquez fight. That doesn't mean Manny can't win, because he DEFINITLEY can. But Manny's recent opponents have been a level (or 2) below Floyd's recent opponents!