Cassius Clinch...........

[H-Tok]

Clinching is not part of boxing? I don't get it...

[Ryn0]

No one remotley around 210 would survive in Alis era vs Wlad ,if your trying to sell me Norton and Lyle as better fighters i dont see it ,only one guy Ali fought could be a HW today and thats Foreman ,go watch Foreman vs Young and then tell me how bad Foreman beats up Wlad who would crush Young .Foreman himself a few days ago had said fighters all around are better today because they are smarter and stronger then when he was fighting .

I'm selling you Norton and Lyle are better fighters than Jennings, Wilder and Tony Thompson. I already told you I believe Wlad to be one of the best HWs but I absolutely think he gets hit more in that era, especially by guys who know how to work and get inside which there are very few Heavyweights who know how to do that today.

I also think Foreman beats Wlad but I go on styles rather than weight for example I think Lennox beats Ali because Ali has zero inside game that doesn't mean I think Lennox beats Foreman or Frazier, Haye, Adamek, Cunningham, Povetkin, Glazkov, Perez, Stiverne, Takam, Arreola, Chisora, Ruiz Jr, Chagaev, Jennings are all competitive or have been competitive in todays HW division at the top level. I'd wager that Wlad is the only guy that could beat all of them. They are all 6, 3 or shorter.

The only heavyweights today that are in the shape that a top heavyweight should be in (losing the fat etc) are Wlad, Haye (if he is still fighting), Cunningham, Wilder etc. You could cut 10-20lbs of some of the fat Heavyweights today and be left with a Heavyweight who is in better shape and stronger that the previous version.

[Elroy1]

Jennings is athletic but lacks boxing skills. The 70s guys would have stuck to their game plan and knocked him out.

Ali lost fights because he fought tremendous competition (and fought several years too long)

There's no 70's boxer with close to Jennings skills.

Foreman, Frazier, Ali and Norton could all barely even box by comparison, and these guys were the ****ing CHAMPS for Christ sake!

Ali lost fights because he simply wasn't very good either.

[juggernaut666]

Its not about how Alis era competes with this era directly. We already know you have spastic opinions about that.

We are talking about clinching. Specifically Wlad vs Ali clinching

Well wrong again as usual the thread is about Alis clinching ,you are the one of the many that are talking other eras by talking about Wlad ,my post clearly shows a comparison related to clinching your own spastic response couldn't see that.

[Tay Roc]

This thread is racist

[Tom Cruise]

Well wrong again as usual the thread is about Alis clinching ,you are the one of the many that are talking other eras by talking about Wlad ,my post clearly shows a comparison related to clinching your own spastic response couldn't see that.

No you were comparing how the fighters would do against each other across eras. Im just comparing the differences vetween Wlad and Ali's clinching. Please try and stay on topic

[Elroy1]

This thread is racist

How is this thread racist?

The only mis-justice here is that the champ and challenger are being denigrated sgainst bummy boxers from 50 years in the past who never would have stepped into the ring with either!

This is NSB not History! That **** shouldn't ****in fly!

[juggernaut666]

I'm selling you Norton and Lyle are better fighters than Jennings, Wilder and Tony Thompson. I already told you I believe Wlad to be one of the best HWs but I absolutely think he gets hit more in that era, especially by guys who know how to work and get inside which there are very few Heavyweights who know how to do that today.

I also think Foreman beats Wlad but I go on styles rather than weight for example I think Lennox beats Ali because Ali has zero inside game that doesn't mean I think Lennox beats Foreman or Frazier, Haye, Adamek, Cunningham, Povetkin, Glazkov, Perez, Stiverne, Takam, Arreola, Chisora, Ruiz Jr, Chagaev, Jennings are all competitive or have been competitive in todays HW division at the top level. I'd wager that Wlad is the only guy that could beat all of them. They are all 6, 3 or shorter.

The only heavyweights today that are in the shape that a top heavyweight should be in (losing the fat etc) are Wlad, Haye (if he is still fighting), Cunningham, Wilder etc. You could cut 10-20lbs of some of the fat Heavyweights today and be left with a Heavyweight who is in better shape and stronger that the previous version.

Lewis ,both Klitchkos and a prime Tyson would completely dominate any era its not hard to figure out.Foreman simply doesnt have the skill set to beat anyone of the 4 i mentioned .

[Ryn0]

You have got to be ****ing joking! Take a look at Bryant Jennings an absolute ripped 226lbs like no other in the day, same height as the champs of the 70's but much bigger and fitter. And we COMPLAIN about Wlad fighting this guy?

Nobody has fought more decent opponents than Wlad all up now.

Now era non-specific, you may say that the quality of Ali's opponents as boxers was high, but that's only if you consider sub 200 opponents as comparable to those of Wlads!

Ali's modern era hw record is 28-5!'

And this is before we consider how crappy the GOOD opponents were and how padded their records were compared with Wlads opponents.

All things considered it's probably fair to say that Wladimir's quality of opposition is approximately 100x better than what Ali had!

They don't even play in the same league.

Just LOOK at them!

We've discussed this a million times before and you come out with the same rhetoric like there is no such thing a styles in boxing. There are plenty of fighters today that doesn't even use their size, it counts for nothing because they can't fight inside.

We also discussed the proven scientific studies that top athletes today are not any more athletic on average than they were even 80 years ago. Most of the advancements in modern athletics have very little to do with the athlete and everything to do with modern technology.

If size were all the mattered Haye would have lost to Valuev, but there are plenty absolutely plenty of guys that don't know how to use their size. Wlad happens to know how to do it. You think that once a guy surpasses the 220 mark they are somehow untouchable. There is a difference between a great athlete and a great boxer, Jennings is a great athlete.

[juggernaut666]

No you are comparing how the fighters would do against each other across eras. Im just comparing the differences vetween Wlad and Ali's clinching. Please try and stay on topic

Listen dopey ,you responded to me on how much better Alis era of fighters were imade the comparison to how that is false by using Wlad as a measuring stick how he would fare in the 60's take the needle out of your arm....