List of fighters Memo Heredia works with

[megadeth]

Conte did time and if he was giving drugs to his clients he will serve a longer sentence. Of course most people take his public pontifications with a grain of salt.

Conte is the one that contacted PA to make The Clear and The Cream. And you are misinformed. Conte most definitely supplied PED's to athletes. Shane Mosley being one of them.

[radioraheem]

I want some proof other than him saying so! I can say that I can fly, does it make it true? Just by saying these things, he becomes infamous, gives him noteriety and people will want to work with him, but that doesn't make any of it true. Again, why were none of the drugs he "created" implicated in the Balco Scandal? Why where they all created by Patrick Arnold if Heredia is this super chemist? As far as I can tell, all he did was supply things like EPO, GH, Testosterone cream and common drugs like these that were harder to detect at the time. There is a difference between that and creating drugs!

You have to let it go. The FEDS had so much evidence on him, the ESPN article brushes up on it a bit. They also made sure he snitched on himself. Heredia was making custom drugs by the way and dealing illegal street drugs.

In 2002 a federal investigation into the infamous BALCO lab turned up evidence that Heredia was dealing drugs to those track icons. That year, the government's lead agent, Jeff Novitzky, tracked Heredia to a Laredo hotel and confronted him with wiretaps on which he could be heard boasting about his doping operation. Novitzky gave Heredia a life-altering choice: Do the right thing or do time.

[radioraheem]

you still don't get it do you?

if USADA and VADA is asking UCLA lab to test the blood sample for blood type.

UCLA lab will give both VADA and USADA same result

But

If USADA is asking UCLA lab to test the blood sample for blood sugar

and VADA is asking UCLA lab to test the blood sample for blood count

UCLA will give USADA different results from that of VADA.

your premise was that since both VADA and USADA send their sample for test in the same lab (UCLA) they must be getting the same result is it not?

What you are not understanding is that both organisations follow the same WADA-protocol, meaning they test for the same exact substances for every single sample.

[megadeth]

did you wait for proof and judged Pac not guilty when floyd fans allegedly said Pac rejected random drug test?

Find one post where I say that Pac is using PED's. Pac is the one that brought su****ion on himself for doing everything, INCLUDING LIE to get a huge cutoff date. Somehow all the excuses why he doesn't need a cutoff any longer simply go out the window and he is completely excused for it. Funny that ask me if I waited for proof of Pac using. I'll ask you the same. Did you wait for proof of Floyd being guilty of using PED's or working with Heredia before claiming that he was?

[Rath]

What you are not understanding is that both organisations follow the same WADA-protocol, meaning they test for the same exact substances for every single sample.

the protocol might just be that they both test randomly not necessarily same blood test.

if you could give me a link the UCLA lab doing the same drug test across the board. meaning all blood samples sent to UCLA whether it's from USADA or from VADA are tested identically the same then i will rest my case.

the reason Floyd call it olympic style because of its randomness in nature not because it is actually olympic testing protocol.

olympic testing means all year round, Floyd style random drug test only starts when floyd signed the contract.

now that is what you mean by protocol?

[radioraheem]

the protocol might just be that they both test randomly not necessarily same blood test.

if you could give me a link the UCLA lab doing the same drug test across the board. meaning all blood samples sent to UCLA whether it's from USADA or from VADA are tested identically the same then i will rest my case.

the reason Floyd call it olympic style because of its randomness in nature not because it is actually olympic testing protocol.

olympic testing means all year round, Floyd style random drug test only starts when floyd signed the contract.

now that is what you mean by protocol?

Again, there is a list of substances WADA demands that every anti-doping organisation around the world test for. Every single sample has to undergo tests for the same list of substances.

It's not that USADA or VADA chooses what substances to test for per sample. No way! They test for the exact same huge list of substances for every single sample. And that is why there is no difference between USADA and VADA other than the frequency in which they take samples and the cost. USADA generally takes more samples, which drives up the cost. VADA takes less, which drives down the cost and makes them more affordable for fighters with small pockets.

[megadeth]

Heredia was arguably the most infamous. And he indeed 'created' PEDs. The Feds had a lot of evidence against him. The only reason why he escaped a certain prison sentence was through cooperating. At that time, what he was doing wasn't so well-known man. Today, yes, it's prevalent and widespread. But back in that era, they were conquering unprecedented ground.

Ok, if you say so, I have no problem accepting it. Just SHOW ME PROOF! As far as I know, the feds have evidence of him supplying PED's, but I have seen nothing showing that it was for anything he "created". EPO and GH were not unprecedented ground in sports. GH has been around forever. EPO since the 1990's. The only things that were "unprecedented" were the use of The Clear "THG" (Tetrahydrogestrinone) and maybe The Cream (Testosterone Cream).

[megadeth]

You have to let it go. The FEDS had so much evidence on him, the ESPN article brushes up on it a bit. They also made sure he snitched on himself. Heredia was making custom drugs by the way and dealing illegal street drugs.

None of that says he "created" anything. Anyone can go out and get drugs and sell them. Doesn't make them a world class chemist.

[radioraheem]

Ok, if you say so, I have no problem accepting it. Just SHOW ME PROOF! As far as I know, the feds have evidence of him supplying PED's, but I have seen nothing showing that it was for anything he "created". EPO and GH were not unprecedented ground in sports. GH has been around forever. EPO since the 1990's. The only things that were "unprecedented" were the use of The Clear "THG" (Tetrahydrogestrinone) and maybe The Cream (Testosterone Cream).

He was doing far more than that. It was advanced stuff for that time period. I'm not going to do the homework for you. If you look back enough and do the research, you'll eventually come to find out that he did more than just 'supply.'

[lacson]

Still waiting for ANY proof other than what he said in this article that he has created any "undetectable" PED's. If he had, then why didn't any of the drugs in the Balco Scandal that were created come from him?

The guy already admitted, how else are you going to get proof? You want him to make it for you?