List of fighters Memo Heredia works with

[Rath]

This is not possible because USADA will not test alongside any organisation when it comes to random drug testing. This is why Marquez ended up using NSAC's random drug testing program for his bout versus Bradley.

Also Armstrong was indeed caught positive in the past, as early as 1999. But he was able to get out of it, and I won't say how because there's too much lack of homework in your post.

don't you think the reason why they don't want to work alongside other drug testing agencies is that there is a possibility they will look incompetent when the result comes and from USADA side its negative while VADA is positive?

[radioraheem]

Still waiting for ANY proof other than what he said in this article that he has created any "undetectable" PED's. If he had, then why didn't any of the drugs in the Balco Scandal that were created come from him?

Heredia did have 'undetectable' PEDs in that era. Read this ESPN article for a little more information. Heredia was indeed tied to the BALCO scandal.

http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id...-espn-magazine

[radioraheem]

don't you think the reason why they don't want to work alongside other drug testing agencies is that they will look incompetent when the result comes and from USADA side its negative while VADA is positive?

No, because USADA and VADA both just take samples and send them to the same laboratory (UCLA) for results. So it is virtually impossible for either organisation to look 'incompetent' since neither internally test the samples.

[Rath]

No, because USADA and VADA both just take samples and send them to the same laboratory (UCLA) for results. So it is virtually impossible for either organisation to look 'incompetent' since neither internally test the samples.

did i not tell you that sending samples to the same laboratory does not necessarily means they are doing the same exact test on both samples VADA and USADA?

i already gave you an example but let me refresh your mind again.

I have my blood sample in two vials

Vial A and Vial B

Send Vial A to Laboratory named XYZ LAB - ask them to test for my blood type

Send Vial B to laboratory named ABC LAB - ask them to test for my blood type

Would you think they will give me different results?

now

another blood samples taken from me put in two vials

Vial A and Vial B

I send both vials A and B to laboratory named DEF and ask them to test Vial A for my blood sugar and vial B for my blood count

would vials A and B shows same results even if it was sent on the same Laboratory?

your logic is fraud err i mean floyd whooops i mean flawed.

enough of your BS (boxingscene) log off now

[megadeth]

The point? USADA is inutile!(they can not catch the culprits by their testing protocol) just proved the notion that there are undetectable drugs out there.

How are they inutile when they have caught HUNDREDS of athletes using PED's? No matter what the testing, SOME athletes are going to slip through. No testing is perfect, not even the VADA. The test for EPO wasn't even confirmed until 2003. GH was pretty undetectable until recently and still can't be tested for after 48hrs of administration. USADA was the most strict testing in the business, so if athletes could slip through USADA, they would've slipped through other testing as well.

[megadeth]

Heredia did have 'undetectable' PEDs in that era. Read this ESPN article for a little more information. Heredia was indeed tied to the BALCO scandal.

http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id...-espn-magazine

I said CREATED! There are lots of known drugs that can mask or are hard to detect. I just skimmed through the article, but I didn't see anything about him because caught supplying something of his own creation. The things that Heredia was using were known to lots of PED gurus.

[radioraheem]

did i not tell you that sending samples to the same laboratory does not necessarily means they are doing the same exact test on both samples VADA and USADA?

i already gave you an example but let me refresh your mind again.

I have my blood sample in two vials

Vial A and Vial B

Send Vial A to Laboratory named XYZ LAB - ask them to test for my blood type

Send Vial B to laboratory named ABC LAB - ask them to test for my blood type

Would you think they will give me different results?

now

another blood samples taken from me put in two vials

Vial A and Vial B

I send both vials A and B to laboratory named DEF and ask them to test Vial A for my blood sugar and vial B for my blood count

would vials A and B shows same results even if it was sent on the same Laboratory?

your logic is fraud err i mean floyd whooops i mean flawed.

enough of your BS (boxingscene) log off now

Again, the point is that they both use the same laboratory (UCLA) for results. It's not like that use different labs (as your silly example falsely portrays).

Now if you want to argue that both USADA and VADA should be used at the same time, that only increases the frequency of taking samples. But the same technology is being used to test the samples for both organisations.

Also it is a fact that they do the exact same tests because they both follow WADA-protocol. All the official anti-doping organisations around the world follow the same WADA protocol/program. So they all test for the same substances. Do your homework.

[radioraheem]

I said CREATED! There are lots of known drugs that can mask or are hard to detect. I just skimmed through the article, but I didn't see anything about him because caught supplying something of his own creation. The things that Heredia was using were known to lots of PED gurus.

Heredia was arguably the most infamous. And he indeed 'created' PEDs. The Feds had a lot of evidence against him. The only reason why he escaped a certain prison sentence was through cooperating. At that time, what he was doing wasn't so well-known man. Today, yes, it's prevalent and widespread. But back in that era, they were conquering unprecedented ground.

[megadeth]

Do you want a video of the dirty chemist?


Literally injecting himself and talking about EPO Boost (another PED he created)


He says he created at least 20 undetectable PED's

I want some proof other than him saying so! I can say that I can fly, does it make it true? Just by saying these things, he becomes infamous, gives him noteriety and people will want to work with him, but that doesn't make any of it true. Again, why were none of the drugs he "created" implicated in the Balco Scandal? Why where they all created by Patrick Arnold if Heredia is this super chemist? As far as I can tell, all he did was supply things like EPO, GH, Testosterone cream and common drugs like these that were harder to detect at the time. There is a difference between that and creating drugs!

[Rath]

Again, the point is that they both use the same laboratory (UCLA) for results. It's not like that use different labs (as your silly example falsely portrays).

Now if you want to argue that both USADA and VADA should be used at the same time, that only increases the frequency of taking samples. But the same technology is being used to test the samples for both organisations.

you still don't get it do you?

if USADA and VADA is asking UCLA lab to test the blood sample for blood type.

UCLA lab will give both VADA and USADA same result

But

If USADA is asking UCLA lab to test the blood sample for blood sugar

and VADA is asking UCLA lab to test the blood sample for blood count

UCLA will give USADA different results from that of VADA.

your premise was that since both VADA and USADA send their sample for test in the same lab (UCLA) they must be getting the same result is it not?