Muhammad ALi's resume is light years above floyds.

[ea22]

But what does this say about Manny's resume.

Were Mosley, Morales, Delahoya in their primes when he fought them?

Why does almost every answer in this forum have to consist of deflecting? **** Manny, I want to know who he was referring to.

[LacedUp]

Ali arguably fought the best Como of any fighter ever


His resume ****s on all other heavyweight champs n other weight champs

Including both sugar rays, monzon, hagler, pacquaio, Hopkins, ezzard Charles the list goes on and on


What's your point?


Still don't change the fact that you can only face whose in your era


That being said Floyd has defeated more lineal champions and won more lineal title fights than anyone in his era in his era....atg status

I think you're going very far saying Ali's resume craps on guys like Charles, SRR and SRL. I think many people would strongly disagree. And I would too.

Who? Honestly curious, Oscar, Mosley, Cotto, and Manny were or will be past prime.

He fought a prime Corrales who's arguable for the hall of fame. Same with Castillo. Then there was Hatton another arguable Hall of famer, and Marquez who's probably an ATG. Cotto went on to win a middleweight championship after Floyd - and even though not at his peak - was still a pretty good fighter coming off a top win. Genaro Hernandez is arguable for the hall of fame, and so is Zab Judah I suppose.

I don't know, but there's a couple of guys in there that were in their prime when Mayweather fought them.

[New England]

Its hard to compare a WW to a HW. Its kinda like comparing apples to oranges. An arguement can be made that Floyd has fought multiple weight division champions, and how many did Ali fight? How many guys did Ali fight that were bigger than him? None really, because they were all just heavy weights. Heavyweights only fight in 1 division and back then there wasnt to many freakishly big guys like the Klitchkos & Wilders of the world. Dont get me wrong, I am not saying they wouldve beat Ali, and Ali was great but when you do talk p4p Floyd has dominated multiple weight classes for years. I think people forget what p4p means. & personally I think the Brown Bomber was the best HW, what a dream match Holyfield vs the Brown bomber wouldve been. Ali had (at the time) great athleticism for the weight and for his size, if you look at the athletes of today in the NBA and NFL theres freakishly large men with crazy athleticism. I truly believe that the best heavyweight in boxing is in the NBA or NFL because lets be real, sign a 30million dollar contract to play ball, or take your chances getting punched in the head to maybe get a million dollar fight? Its a no brainer, no pun intended...

it's easy to compare this WW to that HW

[therealpugilist]

I think you're going very far saying Ali's resume craps on guys like Charles, SRR and SRL. I think many people would strongly disagree. And I would too.



He fought a prime Corrales who's arguable for the hall of fame. Same with Castillo. Then there was Hatton another arguable Hall of famer, and Marquez who's probably an ATG. Cotto went on to win a middleweight championship after Floyd - and even though not at his peak - was still a pretty good fighter coming off a top win. Genaro Hernandez is arguable for the hall of fame, and so is Zab Judah I suppose.

I don't know, but there's a couple of guys in there that were in their prime when Mayweather fought them.

Srl resume has 4 great fighters .hagler, hearns, Duran and benitez


Ali had Patterson, Liston, foreman, Frazier, Norton, Archie Moore, also Ali fought more fights, title fights n hall of famers than srl

Its not even close





Ray Robinson is considered the GOAT because of the eye test, going 128-1 to start his career.....he did not fight a lot of great fighters...kid gavilan, washed up henry Armstrong, Marty servo, and Sammy angott were his only great opposition after all those fights

. Most his losses came past prime but gene fullmer, Carmen basilio, and randy Turpin arent atg middleweights....Bernard Hopkins, monzon , and hagler they are not....beating srr put that extra stamp on their careers but he was still past it



Only person close to Ali in comp and resume is Sam Langford, harry greb, tommy loughran, and tony canzoneri imo

[SergioMartinez]

Why does almost every answer in this forum have to consist of deflecting? **** Manny, I want to know who he was referring to.

No it's a fair question.

These guys are our 2 TOP FIGHTERS of the decade, of this era? Unless you count B-Hop as this era.

I'm simply making a comparison of resumes.

Stop being butt hurt, and just answer the question.

I already know Floyd resume sucks Vs other ATGS.

[bopbopbbe]

that's not really true.

Floyd has fought a couple of HOFamers in their prime.

Let's not act as if Floyd doesn't have a great resume. He does. There are some asterisks to it though, and obviously incomparable to the monstrous resume of Ali.

Name 1 HOF/Future HOF that Floyd fought in their prime?

Oscar, Mosley, and Cotto were all clearly past prime. Hatton is only HOF based on popularity a la Gatti, not by skill/ability.

Floyds best wins over good prime opponents are Corrales and Castillo who are both hardly locks for HOF. Castillo might make it, Corrales doesnt deserve to be HOF imo.

Genaro Hernandez was definitely not in his prime when Floyd fought him but still a good win i guess.

Mannys wins over Morales, Marquez, and Barrera were when they were at least close to their primes. Oscar, Mosley, and Cotto were absolutely not for either of them.

The difference is those three are clear HOF/ATGs.

Floyds greatness is based on his longitivity and consistency over solid fighters but none over great fighters in their prime. This is obvious to anybody that has followed his career.

[Left Hook Tua]

But what does this say about Manny's resume.

Were Mosley, Morales, Delahoya in their primes when he fought them?

mosley and delahoya were both past it for both guys.

morales is debatable imo.

problem got no wins like ledwaba, barrera.

no famous rivalries like morales, jmm.

pac and floyd has fought 5 common opponents. delahoya, hatton, cotto, mosley, jmm.

only vs jmm did floyd look better than pac.

[Left Hook Tua]

Name 1 HOF/Future HOF that Floyd fought in their prime?

Oscar, Mosley, and Cotto were all clearly past prime. Hatton is only HOF based on popularity a la Gatti, not by skill/ability.

Floyds best wins over good prime opponents are Corrales and Castillo who are both hardly locks for HOF. Castillo might make it, Corrales doesnt deserve to be HOF imo.

Genaro Hernandez was definitely not in his prime when Floyd fought him but still a good win i guess.

Mannys wins over Morales, Marquez, and Barrera were when they were at least close to their primes. Oscar, Mosley, and Cotto were absolutely not for either of them.

The difference is those three are clear HOF/ATGs.

Floyds greatness is based on his longitivity and consistency over solid fighters but none over great fighters in their prime. This is obvious to anybody that has followed his career.

don't be giving cotto no pass.

cotto was at his best when marg, pac and even when floyd and trout beat him.

cotto just ain't good.

[bopbopbbe]

don't be giving cotto no pass.

cotto was at his best when marg, pac and even when floyd and trout beat him.

cotto just ain't good.

Naw Cotto was a dominant fighter at 140-147. He had size, power, and boxing ability at those weights. But at 154 and up hes a much more average fighter. Hes undersized and his power is not nearly as good.

Everything at +154 has been smoke and mirrors. He put up a good fighta against Floyd who is a 147 fighter also. I mean the guy got outboxed by the insanely average Trout and every other notable win has been against cripples.

[The Gambler1981]

don't be giving cotto no pass.

cotto was at his best when marg, pac and even when floyd and trout beat him.

cotto just ain't good.

In general Cotto's limit is pretty high but he is like the definition of an A- (on a proper tough grading scale maybe even B+). He was just a notch short, good real quality but there is something missing that does not allow him to truly beat top end guys. Margarito is not an A fighter either though so losing to him is also a pretty big issue, not terrible but without other big wins you see the clear limit in him.

Pretty good always like 2nd or 3rd in a division, not a real champion though because when was he ever really number 1.