What is your understanding of Ring Generalship?

[gamesworn]

Clean Punching is when you visibly hurt your opponents.

I categorize Ring Generalship into two. Effective Aggression and Defense.
Like I said earlier in my post, Floyd is the perfect example of Ring Generalship-Defense.
In Ring Generalship-Effective Aggression, Loma, GGG, Pacquiao comes into my mind. They creates opening to their punches while being aggressive and comes forward. Like what Pacquiao did to Clottey. He may not visibly hurt Clottey but Pacquiao creates opening to his punches. Like punching Clottey to the body to open up his High Guard. Cutting off the ring is one the most important thing in effective aggression too (GGG/Roman).

I don't award round for fighters who dance around the ring without landing a single punch.

[gamesworn]

I think the Pac vs. MArquez fights are great examples of clean punching not showing the whole picture. If I remember punches landed were pretty even, and the effect (outside of kd's) wasnt massively different, but for long periods of the fight Marquez was controlling the fights pace, he was controlling where the action was taking place and I think (as per the rules) he should be rewarded for that.

Floyd evading opponents punches and landing his own while Marquez receiving punches to his face first before he can counter. That is the big differece between the two fighters. And that is why Marquez has so many close fights even he still lands clean punches to his opponents in few rounds

[Scipio2009]

I guess ring generalship can be in the eye of the beholder and considering what style (whoever is judging) favors, that can determine the outcome. But lets take a look at the fight this past weekend between Peterson & Garcia & a match this fight has been compared to (Lara vs Alvarez). In both fights, there was a big clash of styles. We knew this going into Lara vs Alvarez but I think Sugar Lamont Peterson surprised us all.

When I look at both of those fights I try to look at who was the ring general which to me means who controled the tempo/action/area & why. When you look at both fights I mentioned, you had one fighter using lateral movement, & sure it looks nice but I think what people need to look at is why they are using lateral movement, is it to set up offense or is it because they were hurt or bothered by a punch? If they are using lateral movement effectively to set up punches (like Keith Thurman) than they are definitely the ring general but if they are avoiding engagement because they were bothered by a punch or scared than the aggressor should become the ring general hence making them the winner of the round.

When it came down to it in Garcia vs Peterson, it was obvious Peterson was weary of Garcias power and used lateral movement to avoid a fight which made his offensive output very low giving away crucial rounds. With Canelo vs Lara, there were rds where Lara used lateral movement to set up his offense, than there were times he used it because he was clearly bothered making the ring general ship a game of tug a war...

& just in case you are wondering, I scored Garcia vs Peterson 7-5 Garcia & Lara vs Alvarez 6-6 (even after watching it 3x's). Its alot easier scoring fights when its between fighters you dont care for lol

Think bull/matador vs rodeo clown/bull; in a bullfight, though a matador is always in the line of fire, the matador is often able to control the flow of action (effective use of the cape, using the saber to make strategic strikes, becoming more active yet control as the bull deteriorates, closing in for the kill when the opportunity opens, etc). A rodeo clown, though able to kinda manage a bull's attention, will simply do everything in their control to 'get out of dodge' and not get gored.

Peterson moved around a ton and all that, but he didn't use his movement to actually do anything, until well into the fight (after the whole was already dug deep). Lara moved around a lot, but didn't use his movement to do anything.

If Peterson fought the fight like he fought the last three rounds, the outcome may have been different; he didn't do that.

[SalimShady1212]

Its how you control the ring, not running around. Its dictating where the fight happens. You can move around and make your opponent miss or just step in and push them back. How fluid you are with the ring abd control.