What is your understanding of Ring Generalship?

[Beater_of_ass]

No. Just because I'm black doesn't mean I scored the fight for Peterson.

Is that what you took from my response? That it was racial?

I can see where you jump to that conclusion but that wasn't the case at all. I was in a Danny thread prior to this and carried it over into here. My point was Lamant didn't do **** for 6 or 7 rounds other than run, no one is going to win a fight that way.

[Da Machine]

Don't you feel this is just an oversimplification? Ring generalship is much more complex than that. For example, you might have a guy landing more pitty patties with little pop, and the other fighter landing a few heavy, thudding body and head shots. Then it becomes an argument of quality vs. quantity. Volume vs. effective punches. Furthermore, we then have to question how one can truly gauge the punches, we're not the ones feeling them so it's hard to actually assess the quality of each punch connected.

No, I think it's really simple. People over complicate it when the rules themselves are simply stated.

[-PBP-]

Is that what you took from my response? That it was racial?

I can see where you jump to that conclusion but that wasn't the case at all. I was in a Danny thread prior to this and carried it over into here. My point was Lamant didn't do **** for 6 or 7 rounds other than run, no one is going to win a fight that way.

Im kidding lol

But my response to the fight was Pete has no one to blame but himself because of how he started the fight.

[Spray_resistant]

I can't give Danny the rds for not displaying an aptitude for anything resembling scoring criteria in the early going.

[SkillspayBills]

Three ringside judges score bouts based on four factors:




The only thing that should count is clean punches landed the rest is too subjective.

Completely agree. Look at Harold Lederman. He has scored all 4 Pac-JMM fights for Pac, sometimes by VERY wide margins all because he like's Pac's "effective aggression" when he doesn't take into account's Marquez controlling the pace, distance and tempo of the bout. Clean punches are 1st, the rest is conjecture.

[Bigg Rigg]

Floyd is a ring general when he fought Canelo, Lara ran.

GGG cut off the ring against Murray, Garcia followed around Peterson.

If you don't see the difference I can't explain it to you. Also, what Peterson did against Danny wasn't ring generalship, same as Lara versus Canelo. When you land like 3 punches a round, literally, just because you're not getting hit doesn't mean you're winning or being a ring general. A lot of people need to understand just because a guy can't hit you, doesn't mean you're winning a fight.

Yes sir!!!

[Boxfan83]

Don't you feel this is just an oversimplification? Ring generalship is much more complex than that. For example, you might have a guy landing more pitty patties with little pop, and the other fighter landing a few heavy, thudding body and head shots. Then it becomes an argument of quality vs. quantity. Volume vs. effective punches. Furthermore, we then have to question how one can truly gauge the punches, we're not the ones feeling them so it's hard to actually assess the quality of each punch connected.

This is where things get very debatable. Look at Herrera vs Benevidez, or Herrera vs Anyone in that matter lol I think at this point it comes down to who looks more comfortable. If you get a guy shoe shining and getting hit clean mid combo, than theres a big argument for the cleaner puncher to take the rd but if the aggressor is lunging or looking awkward (moving in, in a awkward/non boxing way) than the shoe shiner effectively took the aggressor out of his element. I really think judges should study up on a fighter before they judge a fight, not for favortism but just for something to base performance off of.

[Tom Cruise]

Completely agree. Look at Harold Lederman. He has scored all 4 Pac-JMM fights for Pac, sometimes by VERY wide margins all because he like's Pac's "effective aggression" when he doesn't take into account's Marquez controlling the pace, distance and tempo of the bout. Clean punches are 1st, the rest is conjecture.

I think the Pac vs. MArquez fights are great examples of clean punching not showing the whole picture. If I remember punches landed were pretty even, and the effect (outside of kd's) wasnt massively different, but for long periods of the fight Marquez was controlling the fights pace, he was controlling where the action was taking place and I think (as per the rules) he should be rewarded for that.

[ahferriz]

Ring Generalship is when your favorite fighter lands no meaningful punches but you want to award him a round.

Exactly! LOL

Also: "My favorite fighter is imposing his gameplan, I'll give him the round!" because of course, we all know both fighters exact game plan and we are master tacticians...

[gamesworn]

Floyd is a ring general when he fought Canelo, Lara ran.
GGG cut off the ring against Murray, Garcia followed around Peterson.
If you don't see the difference I can't explain it to you. Also, what Peterson did against Danny wasn't ring generalship, same as Lara versus Canelo. When you land like 3 punches a round, literally, just because you're not getting hit doesn't mean you're winning or being a ring general. A lot of people need to understand just because a guy can't hit you, doesn't mean you're winning a fight.

I agree with you. Floyd is the perfect example of ring generalship-defense. Evading his opponents punches while landing his own. It may not be clean punches(visibly hurt his opponents) at times but still he lands it.