Comments Thread For: Ellerbe, Koncz Trade Verbal Shots Over $5 Million Fine

[Phenom]

what would they sue Pac for?

failing the drug test? WADA will ban him for 4 yrs. that is the penalty for failing right?

what else?

Floyd will call off the fight you mean? and sue Pac for the lost revenues wasted time etc? can he do this if it is not in the contract?

NSAC will cancel the fight they will revoke the boxing license and not only Floyd but HBO/Showtime, MGM and others will have legal claims against Manny and to a lesser extent Toprank

[Biolink]

where'd u get that awesome video??? vegeta avoiding those punches

[SchoolTheseCats]

Common sense to regular people but this stuff is rocket science to mayweather fans.

what your not understanding is if you agree to the 5mil fine clause you cannot then turn around and sue for way more then that because you agreed to that sum of fight cancel because of a positive test from floyd or manny then all they will be getting is a5mil payday when they can sue for what they purse was which manny guaranteed 80mil and floyd 120mil

[Brickyardigan]

You guys really reach sometimes. Freddie roach said he thought Alex ariza was shady because he wouldn't tell ariza what was in his shakes. Have you ever thought that maybe Alex didn't want roach to know because what good would Alex be to pacquiao at that point? Maybe him and roach weren't getting along at the time, or maybe roach is just trying to make ariza look bad like he does to everyone else. When roach talks smack about mayweather and co. You guys discredit every word he says. In fact roach could say I had eggs for breakfast and you guys would say hes lying and that he had a bagel with cream cheese. But when roach is trash talking a guy who was trash talking him now all of a sudden he's credible. Not to mention it could be any number of reasons he didn't want to tell Freddie. And I don't buy that if Alex were really spiking pacquiaos shakes with illegal supplements, he would just say Im not telling you. If he were really doing that, he would just say creatine or any number of supplements? He definitely wouldn't say I'm not telling you, unles they weren't getting along that could be the only other reason I could think of because nobody who is spiking another mans drink is going to say I'm not telling you, and Freddie roach just accepted that for all those years and now he's trashing him about it? I dont really buy it

The conflict within yourself about Pacquiao doping or not, is warmth to my soul . You feel it don't you, Pacquiao is a fraud.. You KNOW HE IS, ACCEPT IT, STOP DOUBTING WHAT YOU FEEL!! Becoming reasonable will set you free, and you will understand why you looked like an idiot for years now.

[SchoolTheseCats]

thread shoulda ended right here..the tards truly don't know how to accept a loss. . all those jokes about floyd cant read but it turns out that only applies to koncz

Jjsmyth still putting up a fight only pacfanatic still not using common sense

[QballLobo]

Yes can sue for fight being cancel because of positive test doesn't havent to be written in contract I can sue you works for both parties why settle for a 5mil fine when you can sue for way more then that and win

Dude you are talking out of your ass this hold thread. I come from a legal backround so let me educate you. Just because a $5 million penalty is in a drug testing contract that would not prevent a lawsuit for punitive damages due to the fight being cancelled. That drug testing contract is voluntary and is agreed upon by both sides. The promotional contract would constitute penalties if the fight is cancelled for any reason and that is always negotiated separately. No judge would say the $5 million penalty is the only barometer for loss and Arum knows that as well as anybody because him and Don King have been sued for damages numerous times and have had to settle for more and less than what was in the promotional contract.
And yes Mayweather's team did settle the lawsuit that Manny brought against them just as discovery information was being requested.
Golden Boy released their statement saying:
""Richard Schaefer and Oscar De La Hoya, on behalf of themselves and Golden Boy Promotions, wish to make it crystal clear that we never intended to claim that Manny Pacquiao has used or is using any performance-enhancing drugs, and further state that we do not have any evidence whatsoever of such use," the statement said.

"Manny Pacquiao is one of the greatest fighters of all time, and we apologize if anyone construed our prior remarks as in any way claiming or even suggesting that Manny uses or has used performance-enhancing drugs."

And the Mayweathers released their own statement as part of the settlement:
wish to make it clear that they never intended to claim that Manny Pacquiao has used or is using any performance-enhancing drugs.

“Nor are they aware of any evidence Manny Pacquiao has used performance-enhancing drugs. Manny Pacquiao is a great champion and no one should construe any of our prior remarks as claiming that Manny Pacquiao has used performance-enhancing drugs.”

[Brickyardigan]

Dude you are talking out of your ass this hold thread. I come from a legal backround so let me educate you. Just because a $5 million penalty is in a drug testing contract that would not prevent a lawsuit for punitive damages due to the fight being cancelled. That drug testing contract is voluntary and is agreed upon by both sides. The promotional contract would constitute penalties if the fight is cancelled for any reason and that is always negotiated separately. No judge would say the $5 million penalty is the only barometer for loss and Arum knows that as well as anybody because him and Don King have been sued for damages numerous times and have had to settle for more and less than what was in the promotional contract.
And yes Mayweather's team did settle the lawsuit that Manny brought against them just as discovery information was being requested.
Golden Boy released their statement saying:
""Richard Schaefer and Oscar De La Hoya, on behalf of themselves and Golden Boy Promotions, wish to make it crystal clear that we never intended to claim that Manny Pacquiao has used or is using any performance-enhancing drugs, and further state that we do not have any evidence whatsoever of such use," the statement said.

"Manny Pacquiao is one of the greatest fighters of all time, and we apologize if anyone construed our prior remarks as in any way claiming or even suggesting that Manny uses or has used performance-enhancing drugs."

And the Mayweathers released their own statement as part of the settlement:
wish to make it clear that they never intended to claim that Manny Pacquiao has used or is using any performance-enhancing drugs.

***8220;Nor are they aware of any evidence Manny Pacquiao has used performance-enhancing drugs. Manny Pacquiao is a great champion and no one should construe any of our prior remarks as claiming that Manny Pacquiao has used performance-enhancing drugs.***8221;

FUCK what you talking about, because ARUM himself said that what Mayweather team and Leonard Ellerbe proposed and reasoning for declining made more legal sense. He has a more successful legal background than your made up stories you bish. He also promotes the fighter that came up with the idiotic proposal, ****** bish.

[Yuiopy]

I think some people are drinking the Ellerbe kool-aid here. The $5 million agreement would be an automatic fine. It wouldn't prevent any boxing commissions from suspending your license, nor would it prevent either promotions from suing for any lost revenue. If anything this would create a $5 million MINIMUM.

[waiseguy510]

Here's both sides of the story

Most likely if there is a positive result for PED's, this fight would get cancelled.

Pacman:
Pacquiao is guaranteed $80 million by Top Rank, but would lose out on some of the PPV sales, merchandising, tickets, etc.

Top Rank would be the loser on their side because of the $80 million they would still have to give to Pacquaio weather the fight happens or not.

Mayweather:
Mayweather guaranteed $120 million to himself (meaning the first $200 million the would go to Mayweather Promotions and Top Rank for the purses)

If the fight gets cancelled, Mayweather would not get the $120 million, but he also wouldn't have to pay it like Top Rank would have to pay it.

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Placing a $5 million cap is not realistic because because that's pennys compared to what this fight is worth.

USADA doesn't have the authority to ban fighters in boxing, it would be the Nevada State Athletic Commission who would penalize the fighter. But then again, it's up to the other states to uphold the penalty if they want to.

[elishua F]

told you make a thread about this and we will discuss it there.

you can not discuss something that is not in the article and say the don;t have reading comprehension.

what would you comprehend if it is not there?

It is like

You: you did not understand what i meant

me: what do you mean i did not understand what you meant base on what you say?

You: no you don't, because i was meaning the other thing which is not there in what i said but in the other time that i said it which is related to this thing that i said now.

Me: ? ? ?

word of advice.. stop embarrassing yourself. its painful seeing you get battered around the thread.

why does he need to create a separate thread for if what he is posting is related to the article. .just man up, pack up your L, and move on.

that arum video shatters all the pac tard arguments. case closed.