Comments Thread For: Ellerbe, Koncz Trade Verbal Shots Over $5 Million Fine

[Rath]

You can sue anyone one doesn't have to be written in contract but if the 5mil fine written in there then you can't turn around and sue for more because you have a agreed upon clause already

what would they sue Pac for?

failing the drug test? WADA will ban him for 4 yrs. that is the penalty for failing right?

what else?

Floyd will call off the fight you mean? and sue Pac for the lost revenues wasted time etc? can he do this if it is not in the contract?

[Brickyardigan]

Just because you can sue somebody for over 5 million dollars doesn't mean you are going to get that much. Mike Tyson sued don king and was only awarded around 20 million, of which he kept half. He was suing for 100 million dollars.

Ellerbe and co. Are still bitter about Floyd having to pay hush money to pacquiao, an 8 figure settlement which is way more than pacquiao and his lawyers were expecting. This was right after pacquiaos lawyers caught wind of 3 failed drug tests that were given by Floyd mayweather allegedly so they filed in court to get the results of the 3 tests and here comes mayweather with a ridiculously large settlement almost right after they were subpoenaed. If that doesn't arouse any of you Floyd semen gurglers' su****ion there is something that is mentally impairing you from using any critical thinking skills, actually in this case you would just need to have any bit of common sense whatsoever to see that the illegal steroid use by Floyd mayweather was covered up by usada who are never known to actually catch athletes failing a drug screen which is why they are the go to guys for Floyd, meanwhile vada which is what Manny uses actually has reported failed drug tests by fighters and they also would cost the fighters a lot less money. Admit the obvious, Floyd is no longer going by the name of money. He will now be known as Floyd "human growth hormone" Mayweather.

No..

Only Pacquiao lawyer fees was paid, nothing else was given and it was only given because Mayweather NEVER SHOWED UP TO COURT. The judge decided Pacquiao really didn't have a just cause for the lawsuit but since Mayweather was a no show, he justified that as a reason for Mayweather to pay the ****** nimrod's lawyer fees (LOL he still owe the IRS MILLIONS for letting Arum rob his ****** ass).

Also Thomas Hauser put several times in his speculatory piece that everything in the article WAS RUMORS and OPINIONS, you nincompoop. Freddie Roach basically admitted Pacquiao was doping back in 2009, in the Radio Raheem interview. "What was in those shakes?".. LOL idiot.

[Rath]

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replying with a meme? run out of argument i see.

i owned you once again

[jjsmyth87]

And another elephant in the room is the fact that it has been al haymon fighters that have been lobbing accusations against opponents, by accusing them of using peds and then themselves testing positive for failed drug tests in that very same fight. Lamont Peterson and Andre berto both pulled that stunt. Again they are both al haymon advised fighters and mayweather is also a al haymon advised fighter.

Definitely not a coincidence. How often do we hear fighters accusing others of using peds. It doesn't happen that often, maybe 1 in 15 big fights or so, its not that common although recently Pascal seemed to be pulling the same stunt on kovalev. 2 fighters who have the same advisor who both pull that same stunt would be a really rare occurance. Can anyone think of a advisor who had 2 fighters accuse their opponents and then fail the test themselves? That itself is very rare and they are the only 2 that I know of that have been that ******
when you look at all the facts like mayweathers huge 8 figure settlement paid to pacquiao, and the fact that mayweather works for haymon and has been constantly making accusations against pacquiao over the years, it would be logical to assume that indeed al haymon has alot of ped users on his roster, which there is a pattern of those same fighters making allegations and then getting caught themselves, so mayweather in all probability has been that same type of guy but can afford the best steroid experts like angel heredia so he can beat alot of tests, and the tests he cant beat he can get a prescription written for him so usada gives him a free pass when he has a 25 to 1 testosterone ratio because he claims he has low T and needs supplement therapy or whatever his excuse was. The bottom line is this 5 million was supposed to be side money so bob arum was probably talking out of his ass, go read the real article on espn.

[Brickyardigan]

It's all just PR...but Pacquiao has just called Mayweather's bluff.

Not sure why people are saying that the $5m would take the place of the ban. Koncz didn't say that at all..Are people just reading Ellerbe's quotes and going from those? Do people think that it's even possible for fighters to decide what punishment is handed out for breaching drug rules? It has nothing to do with them. It's not what Koncz was getting at.

Pac's team is just putting it out there in bold that he's legit about proving he's clean..and asking is Floyd willing to do the same.

Mostly it's just mind games, but Floyd's fans are taking it hard.

Once again another Pac turd shows their lack of IQ and business mentality. A agreed contract on monetary damages based on the failed test is a limited liability on those type of damages that will be collected. We are talking about the money here ******.. the ban is going to happen regardless, let the money be open ended and argued in court. Not pre-agreed on.

[jjsmyth87]

No..

Only Pacquiao lawyer fees was paid, nothing else was given and it was only given because Mayweather NEVER SHOWED UP TO COURT. The judge decided Pacquiao really didn't have a just cause for the lawsuit but since Mayweather was a no show, he justified that as a reason for Mayweather to pay the ****** nimrod's lawyer fees (LOL he still owe the IRS MILLIONS for letting Arum rob his ****** ass).

Also Thomas Hauser put several times in his speculatory piece that everything in the article WAS RUMORS and OPINIONS, you nincompoop. Freddie Roach basically admitted Pacquiao was doping back in 2009, in the Radio Raheem interview. "What was in those shakes?".. LOL idiot.

You guys really reach sometimes. Freddie roach said he thought Alex ariza was shady because he wouldn't tell ariza what was in his shakes. Have you ever thought that maybe Alex didn't want roach to know because what good would Alex be to pacquiao at that point? Maybe him and roach weren't getting along at the time, or maybe roach is just trying to make ariza look bad like he does to everyone else. When roach talks smack about mayweather and co. You guys discredit every word he says. In fact roach could say I had eggs for breakfast and you guys would say hes lying and that he had a bagel with cream cheese. But when roach is trash talking a guy who was trash talking him now all of a sudden he's credible. Not to mention it could be any number of reasons he didn't want to tell Freddie. And I don't buy that if Alex were really spiking pacquiaos shakes with illegal supplements, he would just say Im not telling you. If he were really doing that, he would just say creatine or any number of supplements? He definitely wouldn't say I'm not telling you, unles they weren't getting along that could be the only other reason I could think of because nobody who is spiking another mans drink is going to say I'm not telling you, and Freddie roach just accepted that for all those years and now he's trashing him about it? I dont really buy it

[Eagle Eye]

That 5 Million penalty should be construed as separate and distinct from the 4 year ban to be imposed by USADA under the WADA Code. There is no other way to interpret this because the parties are not allowed to stipulate on something that is against the rules or the law. In other words, they cannot stipulate that the 4 year ban should not be imposed by USADA in case a fighter is found to be using an illegal substance and will just pay a fine. For one, USADA is not a party to their contract henceforth any agreement between Floyd and Pac will not bind it.

[SchoolTheseCats]

what would they sue Pac for?

failing the drug test? WADA will ban him for 4 yrs. that is the penalty for failing right?

what else?

Floyd will call off the fight you mean? and sue Pac for the lost revenues wasted time etc? can he do this if it is not in the contract?

Yes can sue for fight being cancel because of positive test doesn't havent to be written in contract I can sue you works for both parties why settle for a 5mil fine when you can sue for way more then that and win

[jjsmyth87]

That 5 Million penalty should be construed as separate and distinct from the 4 year ban to be imposed by USADA under the WADA Code. There is no other way to interpret this because the parties are not allowed to stipulate on something that is against the rules or the law. In other words, they cannot stipulate that the 4 year ban should not be imposed by USADA in case a fighter is found to be using an illegal substance and will just pay a fine. For one, USADA is not a party to their contract henceforth any agreement between Floyd and Pac will not bind it.

Common sense to regular people but this stuff is rocket science to mayweather fans.

[elishua F]

Go to 1:15

Arum explained it here

They didn't agree to the 5 million fine because both fighters could collect more.



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thread shoulda ended right here..the tards truly don't know how to accept a loss. . all those jokes about floyd cant read but it turns out that only applies to koncz