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  • #61
    Originally posted by IR0NFIST View Post
    When you mention drug testing in sports there are two agencies that most people are familiar with - USADA and VADA. Let's study the track record of each respective agency to determine which of the two has the higher success rate and better credentials.

    USADA

    • Lied about testing Broner and DeMarco for their upcoming fights. They released a statement claiming that both Broner and Demarco have successfully past all of the test, DeMarco revealed afterwards that he was never tested. (Source)
    • Erik Morales tested positive TWICE before his fight with Danny Garcia, USADA kept the results hidden for months allowing Morales to fight, both USADA, GBP, NYSAC, and Showtime were aware of the situation, not a single **** was given. (Source)
    • Tested Peter Quillin for his fight with Winky Wright, destroyed all drug testing samples before results could be taken. (Source)


    VADA
    • Richard Schaefer threatened to file a lawsuit against them when they made Lamont Peterson's failed test results public without letting him know about it first. (Source)
    • Robert Garcia was pissed off at how they handled Rios's test sample, hinting that there may have been some ****ery involved, all that was dismissed when Rios admitted to taking a supplement known as Jack3d, which apparently contains a banned substance in the ingredients. (Source)
    • They found traces of PEDs in Andre Berto's system and wasted no time in making the results public, causing the event to be canceled, no fighter was allowed to fight with the benefits of using PEDs. (Source)


    Lamont Peterson, Brandon Rios, and Andre Berto have all failed VADA testing. USADA has caught Erik Morales and even if more athletes have tested positive chances are we wouldn't know about it due to their non-disclosure contracts. They have contracts that allow test results to be forwarded directly to the client instead of the state athletic commission; this is a recipe for deception.

    Considering all of the above, it would be logical to assume that VADA is ethically superior to USADA, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion...
    VADA is affilated directly with an open and admitted doper/PED peddler and has not been backed by any organization or sport, outside of a handful of fighters affiliated with 1-2 boxing promoters.

    USADA works across basically all international amateur athletics and bascially all of the combat sports.

    To that, you can also that VADA is maybe five years old and I'm not sure what folks are beating their chests about.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by sicko View Post
      I don't know how you can use "RUMORS" to credit or discredit someone but...OK?

      USADA has more of a history and does testing for the Olympics among many other things under WADA

      VADA is NEW, randomly started by few Doctors and yes VICTOR CONTE was involved.

      Boxing wouldn't need either if NSAC would just require better testing instead of their outdated SIMPLE URINE TEST

      Some of you are taking sides based on which fighters uses USADA and VADA and know absolutely nothing about either. I think all have well intentions but all have FLAWS I'm sure

      Of course USADA follow WADA Code whiles VADA list outdated of 2 years since on their site its the 2013 version.

      Note on VADA : WADA Prohibited List will be preserved, unless otherwise specified by VADA. Unlike VADA, you cant escape WADA list with WADA or USADA.

      EDIT : But why Katy Duva didnt wanted Kovalev to take WADA test instead of VADA? Even saying she never heard of WADA?
      Last edited by iNixus; 03-13-2015, 01:21 PM.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Scipio2009 View Post
        VADA is affilated directly with an open and admitted doper/PED peddler and has not been backed by any organization or sport, outside of a handful of fighters affiliated with 1-2 boxing promoters.

        USADA works across basically all international amateur athletics and bascially all of the combat sports.

        To that, you can also that VADA is maybe five years old and I'm not sure what folks are beating their chests about.
        Yet VADA is the one catching an exposing cheats while USADA tries to cover it up instead.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Deevel916 View Post
          Yet VADA is the one catching an exposing cheats while USADA tries to cover it up instead.
          Yet is the USADA who kept investigating on Lance Amstrong and archived to ban him for lifetime.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by iNixus View Post
            Yet is the USADA who kept investigating on Lance Amstrong and archived to ban him for lifetime.
            After how many years and cover ups of doping?

            LOL...Cant believe you used Lance as an example to try and defend USADA.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by iNixus View Post
              Theses Pascal guy are the world Anti-doping agency, over 660 organisation folow their codes even the United States Olympic Committee. Actualy, it was the olympics comittee who's created WADA. So yes they do test.

              Full list :https://www.wada-ama.org/en/what-we-...de-signatories

              EDIT: Do you think the UCI world tour has more doped Athletes than other sports? I don't think so I think it's because WADA fight really hard to discovers them even if its not perfect but every angency ain't perfect. every Sport associtation should follow them. Especialy World class association like ATP world tour and WBC-WBO-IBF-WBA.
              All these guy including Vada are compliant with Wada protocols, but Wada doesnt test themselves, they farm it out to national agencies.

              But heres the problem: in the Olympics and other sports the agencies are hired by the regulators, so their relationship to the athlete is adversarial. In boxing theyre hired by the fighters and their promoters, which is a joke and a massive conflict of interest

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              • #67
                Originally posted by iNixus View Post
                Yet is the USADA who kept investigating on Lance Amstrong and archived to ban him for lifetime.
                Did Lance hire them to test him? Didnt think so

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by IR0NFIST View Post
                  USADA
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                  [*]Lied about testing Broner and DeMarco for their upcoming fights. They released a statement claiming that both Broner and Demarco have successfully past all of the test, DeMarco revealed afterwards that he was never tested. (Source)
                  statements like these are not classified as rumors. they're facts backed by the fighter himself. this is serious. winky wright made the same allegations where samples were thrown away. usada should be investigated.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Deevel916 View Post
                    After how many years and cover ups of doping?

                    LOL...Cant believe you used Lance as an example to try and defend USADA.
                    And you think VADA would have Archived? I don't think so since they are 2 years outdated Vs USADA and WADA and it's wasn't USADA or WADA who's was corrupted but the UCI in those years Doping always have 5 to 8 years ahead in technologies vs Agency.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by HeroBando View Post
                      All these guy including Vada are compliant with Wada protocols, but Wada doesnt test themselves, they farm it out to national agencies.

                      But heres the problem: in the Olympics and other sports the agencies are hired by the regulators, so their relationship to the athlete is adversarial. In boxing theyre hired by the fighters and their promoters, which is a joke and a massive conflict of interest
                      yes they test proof : https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws....ORY-REPORT.pdf

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