Kathy Duva questions the Haymon Boxing Model (good read)

[Barcham]

I am sure that Al Haymon makes a lot more money on boxing that Cathy Duva does, so she is not the person that he would take advice from.

Duva is a PROMOTER. Haymon is not. Haymon makes his money by taking a piece of what the fighters earn. He doesn't care if an event makes money or loses millions, as long as the fighter gets paid. Until now, that is. He may discover that he really doesn't know everything there is to know about running a boxing event.

[Weebler I]

Duva is a PROMOTER. Haymon is not. Haymon makes his money by taking a piece of what the fighters earn. He doesn't care if an event makes money or loses millions, as long as the fighter gets paid. Until now, that is. He may discover that he really doesn't know everything there is to know about running a boxing event.

Yeah, it's unfair to compare when promoters have to take so much risk to succeed. Even now, Haymon is playing with investor's money, not necessarily his own.

[Joshua Child]

Kathy Duva is one of the smartest people in the business.

[Scipio2009]

Kathy Duva is salty about 1)Haymon pushing her out of her NBC deal and 2)Haymon actively working to change "the way that things have always been done".

Haymon is making a bet; if he can clean up the presentation of the sport, get the fans to see 'PBC' as the destination for top fights, and get the casual sports fan to buy into the different fighters as stars (Keith Thurman, Deontay Wilder, Danny Garcia, etc), there will be a major payoff at the end of the deal and, most importantly, boxing will take it's rightful place along with baseball, football, basketball, hockey, soccer, etc with the general fan (exposing the sport to the younger generation, and maybe steering some young athletes, who don't end up fitting into one of those major sports, towards boxing as an option).

On another front, Duva is also being a touch delusional; if Haymon succeeds, the promoters who work with Haymon will succeed. I doubt that Main Events can walk into ABC, CBS, or NBC and pitch that they can deliver the way that Haymon has been able to deliver.

[North Star]

Neither Guerrero, Thurman, Broner or Mares are large draws, so the empty seats are not surprising.

I don't know what Al Haymon's business plan is, but I am sure he will succeed. For the sake of boxing fans, all of us should hope that he succeeds because the offerings presented by HBO and Showtime leave a lot to be desired

I'm actually quite satisfied with HBO and Showtime programs. The only thing that I desire out of those is more compelling match ups, and that has everything to do with promoters, pseudo-promoters/managers protecting their fighters records.

We need to get over the idea that a loss sets a fighter back. The fear of losing that O has ruined a lot of potentially great fights over the years.

[big_james10]

Seriously, does anyone remember the last quality fighter that Kathy Duva promoted prior to Kovalev. And how much did Kovalev make for fighting Hopkins? I think it was about $1 million and he stated that he ended up with only $125,000. He is a world champion and supposedly a much bigger star than all the fighters who fought on the first PBC card, yet three out of four of them earned more money than Kovalev. What does that say about Duva?

This woman has about as much credibility in boxing as Don King. Anyone who takes her word as gospel should have his head examined.

[Scipio2009]

yeah its kinda the same reason I think Rocnation can be exteremely succesful if they start to pick up steam, cause jayz and his brand obviously has tons of connection to to brands so endorsement and sponsors shouldent be hard, hell loook at cotto 50 mil and he gonna get endorsements and all that.

the old way of boxing promotion might be getting phased out if haymon and jay succeed. If they do great and if they dont sucks for them all I want is for them not to gay up boxing like the PBC event that shit was corny loooked like some wwe event.

The presentation, imo, was just fine, stage and all. Will probably end up adding chief second and the lead assistant, but doubt that it goes beyond that.

Not sure if you've ever played the EA Sports Fight Night series, but that seems like the objective to me, especially for the NBC/CBS shows.

[Scipio2009]

Yes but Haymon is blowing his load with his first 2 cards by showing all his high profile fighters. Then what? What happens when he starts showing cards with all the no namers that he has signed? If viewership takes a nosedive after his first few cards, it will be even MORE difficult to secure sponsorship.

The 5 primetime NBC shows will be stacked, no doubt about it; from all the promo that they did for the first show, they're positioning Deontay Wilder ("the heavyweight champion of the world) to headline the third show.

You add two shows featuring Keith Thurman (Thurman-Maidana would be massive, but if that doesn't happen you could easily have Thurman vs Berto/Lopez winner), Danny Garcia (Garcia vs Guerrero would work), or even a massive fight (Stevenson vs Kovalev/Pascal winner), maybe even a night of the Olympians to fill out the primetime shows this year.

The "no namers" will likely end up on BounceTV, NBC Sports, CBS Sports, Sp1ke, or in off TV fights (this past FNF featured those very "no names").

[radioraheem]

Yeah, it's unfair to compare when promoters have to take so much risk to succeed. Even now, Haymon is playing with investor's money, not necessarily his own.

There have been Promoters, and still are Promoters, that rely on investor money rather than their own too. Does Golden Boy ring a bell? What about Goosen? Who do you think 'Promoted' the PBC fight?

[sicko]

I like Duva and she broke that down nicely but I think Haymon is doing something TOTALLY DIFFERENT from what Promoters are use to doing but she is talking about things from a PROMOTERS PROSPECTIVE. Promoters are spending their own so yes they NEED to see a Profit after every event! Haymon on the other hand seems to have a totally Different Plan which I think is to build up this BOXING LEAGUE within in a 3 Years Span, build up New Stars, a decent following, Draw DECENT RATINGS and then once these Current Contracts are up Networks will have to PAY UP to get it Exclusively!

Haymon started his Concert Promotion like this, people said "It Is No Money In Hip Hop Urban Concerts" Haymon took that on and proved them WRONG, so wrong to the point in which Hip Hop Concerts became so Popular and was making SO MUCH MONEY that Live Nation had to jump in and buy 50% of his Promotion because most of the Top Hip Hop Acts goes to him to do their Concerts and Tours.