Kathy Duva questions the Haymon Boxing Model (good read)

[Scipio2009]

Haymon should have used the money he spent on Hans Zimmer to find himself a decent matchmaker. It's the one aspect of the sport in which he's miles behind, and it's probably the most important capability a promoter can have. Finding opponents who people that know the sport won't laugh at, and yet also won't be good enough to actually beat your guy is the key. Haymon still hasn't figured that out. You look at Broner and he's following the same path as Berto, just half a decade later.

Thurman-Guerrero looked like a good fight, and ended up being a good fight (the Broner fight ended up being a dud, so sue him).

The fights this Friday (Berto-Lopez, Porter-Garcia) and the fights in April, on paper, look like good fights. Chavez Jr-Fonfora looks to be a good fight too. A bit disingenuous to flatly trash the matchmaking, especially so far.

[JoeKidd]

Sums up the great fight night:

Duva: “What are you going to have to pay fighters to take on a real challenge?"

[Da Machine]

Like someone else said. Duva is about7t ten steps behind Haymon. I mean she had an NBC deal and look what happened.

[North Star]

Like someone else said. Duva is about7t ten steps behind Haymon. I mean she had an NBC deal and look what happened.

What happened was no sponsors came calling, and she was paid by the network to put on the shows.

Haymon bought time slots like infomercials, and it is yet to be determined if enough sponsors would be interested to turn this into a success. He is going against the grain with a different format, so we'll have to wait and see if any sponsors are even interested after those changes.

[Pony Boy]

I can only recall one commercial and that's the Carl Jrs. All else seemed like HD 70' and 80' low balling companies. Yeah his making a killing selling them time slots. Sports audience, specially boxing don't give a dam about commercials. It's not like watching the Super Bowl!

[Da Machine]

What happened was no sponsors came calling, and she was paid by the network to put on the shows.

Haymon bought time slots like infomercials, and it is yet to be determined if enough sponsors would be interested to turn this into a success. He is going against the grain with a different format, so we'll have to wait and see if any sponsors are even interested after those changes.

No sponsors came because she had nothing to offer. No fighters, no consistency, no prime time slots. Nothing. This PBC deal is essentially the opposite of what she had and was willing to offer. She had no money to waste and invest.

Right now shes just bitter. She had some good things to say but overall its easy to see what her motive is.

[Bullrider]

The format was not designed by Haymon. It's the format they use on national tv. So don't act as if this is started by Haymon. It's been used in the past.

Remember, everything on prime time is scripted down to the last second. They have to. Time is money. So don't expect long introductions where fighter is accompanied with his entourage and all those time-consuming scenes.

What Duva lacked was enough recognizable fighters in her stable. Haymon capitalized on what HBO already built up: Broner, Thurman, Guerrero, Garcia, etc. Such names helped kickstart the series.

[Mitchell Kane]

No sponsors came because she had nothing to offer. No fighters, no consistency, no prime time slots. Nothing. This PBC deal is essentially the opposite of what she had and was willing to offer. She had no money to waste and invest.

Right now shes just bitter. She had some good things to say but overall its easy to see what her motive is.

She had boxers like Juan Diaz, Rocky Juarez, Panchito Bojado and Kermit Cintron with Budweiser as the main sponsor on the NBC shows she did a decade ago.

[Vasyl’s dad]

You couldn't be more wrong. Quality fights do not happen because the networks pay for and put on bad fights. They do this because in the PPV era they've found that superstars and not quality fights are what sell ppv's. No promoter/manager/fighter forces any network to put them on.

So, for example, they will bankroll GGG fights against bum after bum because they get good ratings for little money, and wait until he can make a ppv fight rather than force him and ward or Canelo to fight because of the risks involved in losing.

They want 2 attractions who keep winning and tease a fight to keep you interested.

It seems that you don't want more boxing programming available solely because Haymon is doing it/the one who is making it happen. why is that?

So we haven't had any quality fights is what you're saying. And the solution to that is to put on even worse fights.

[The Big Dunn]

So we haven't had any quality fights is what you're saying. And the solution to that is to put on even worse fights.

WTF? we get it, you want it to fail. Just wish you'd share your reasons why.