Comments Thread For: Canelo Wants Mayweather Rematch - Only at Full 154

[aboutfkntime]

You have to do your homework, before you make statements of untruths, rookie. How do you figure Cotto was weight-drained when he fought Pacquiao? Cotto started fighting at WW in 2006, when he moved up to beat Quintana for the vacant WBA WW title. He fought Pac in 2009 @ WW, and didn't move up to SWW until the next year.
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Cotto's natural weight @ the time of the Pacquiao fight was 147, and Pac's camp had him sign to fight @ 145. That's not a weight-drain scenario.

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I agree on the Alvarez vs Mayweather situation, seeing as Canelo was said to walk around @ nearly 170 and had to make 152 for Little Boy Floyd.

BULLSHYTE !

That is exactly what that was, a weight-drain scenario.

Pac had already fought at welter before he fought Cotto, the only reason to demand a catchweight was to attempt to drain Cotto.

The only two reasons why any fighter would need a catchweight are.....

* you are not good enough to compete against your opponent without reducing his effectiveness

or.....

* you are attempting to gain an unfair advantage

Either one is unacceptable.

[joseph5620]

You have to do your homework, before you make statements of untruths, rookie. How do you figure Cotto was weight-drained when he fought Pacquiao? Cotto started fighting at WW in 2006, when he moved up to beat Quintana for the vacant WBA WW title. He fought Pac in 2009 @ WW, and didn't move up to SWW until the next year.
http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hum...3535&cat=boxer

Cotto's natural weight @ the time of the Pacquiao fight was 147, and Pac's camp had him sign to fight @ 145. That's not a weight-drain scenario.

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=4653029

I agree on the Alvarez vs Mayweather situation, seeing as Canelo was said to walk around @ nearly 170 and had to make 152 for Little Boy Floyd.

So it was okay for Cotto but not Canelo. Yeah you're not biased. Also, Cotto never returned to 147 after the Pacquiao fight so your boxrec investigating is meaningless.

[aboutfkntime]

Listen idiot alt, Pac gets credit for taking a huge risk upfront. As I said, look at the writers predictions beforehand, Dlh was supposed to slaughter the midget. And ****** fcuk, Oscar was dropping to 147 of his own volition. Get lost

You silly pacstain.....

A Hoya fight was the goal/payout, for every viable fighter in the world.

Just like a Mayweather fight is now.

" risk " LOL

You really think that he would have turned that fight down ?

The point is.....
using the benefit of hindsight, you can clearly see that Hoya was a shrink-wrapped weight-drained zombie, he needed an IV for ***s sake..... so how you can blow smoke up Pacs asss for that "achievement" simply defies logic.

We get it..... you just LUVVVVVVV you some pacman LOL

[SUBZER0ED]

I think that a lot of you guys are missing the point.

If YOU accept catchweights, then YOU accept the excuses that WILL come along with them.

Give me one good reason/example, as to why a catchweight was necessary in a meaningful fight..... just one example.....

I bet you cant.

If the catchweight was justified/justifiable, then the fight was not meaningful..... find me one example to the contrary..... just one.

Define "meaningful fight". Alvarez is much bigger than Mayweather, hence the necessity of a catch-weight. If Canelo had won the fight against Mayweather, it would have boosted his cred to astronomical proportions as the first man to defeat him. Instead, he lost both of his SWW belts. If Mayweather would have lost, despite catchweight excuses, he and his fans would have no doubt been devastated. He would no longer be seen as the unbeatable TBE. Oh, and the fight set the PPV buy record. Sounds like a meaningful fight to me.

[HeroBando]

You silly pacstain.....

A Hoya fight was the goal/payout, for every viable fighter in the world.

Just like a Mayweather fight is now.

" risk " LOL

You really think that he would have turned that fight down ?

The point is.....
using the benefit of hindsight, you can clearly see that Hoya was a shrink-wrapped weight-drained zombie, he needed an IV for ***s sake..... so how you can blow smoke up Pacs asss for that "achievement" simply defies logic.

We get it..... you just LUVVVVVVV you some pacman LOL

Contracts are not signed with the benefit of hindsight, a$$wipe alt. Its real simple dumbfcuk, Pac came in as underdog, huge in expert opinion, won every second and made the cherrypicker retire on his stool. Thats why it was a big and memorable win

[HeroBando]

So it was okay for Cotto but not Canelo. Yeah you're not biased. Also, Cotto never returned to 147 after the Pacquiao fight so your boxrec investigating is meaningless.

One difference was tha Floyd was a 2x and reigning champ at 154, his 5th division. Pac otoh was coming up on his 7th, 10 above his starting

[SUBZER0ED]

So it was okay for Cotto but not Canelo. Yeah you're not biased. Also, Cotto never returned to 147 after the Pacquiao fight so your boxrec investigating is meaningless.

You didn't read the last part of my post, which agreed that Canelo's greater weight disparity meant a greater weight drain to fight Mayweather.

Cotto didn't return to 147, because he had lost to both WW champions, so there was nothing left for him in that division. Instead, he opted to move up and pursue the record for the first Puerto Rican to win championships in 4 weight divisions. Now, he's a MW champion who's unwilling to fight true top MW's. Why? Because he's not naturally that big!

[joseph5620]

You didn't read the last part of my post, which agreed that Canelo's greater weight disparity meant a greater weight drain to fight Mayweather.

Cotto didn't return to 147, because he had lost to both WW champions, so there was nothing left for him in that division. Instead, he opted to move up and pursue the record for the first Puerto Rican to win championships in 4 weight divisions. Now, he's a MW champion who's unwilling to fight true top MW's. Why? Because he's not naturally that big!

Did Cotto ever say that? No. You're using your own version of events as if they are facts which they are not.

Both catchweights were unnecessary in my view. If you excuse one and condemn the other you are clearly being biased and hypocritical.

[aboutfkntime]

[/B]Define "meaningful fight". Alvarez is much bigger than Mayweather, hence the necessity of a catch-weight.

Rubbish. Mayweather would have won anyway, the result would have been no different..... so, the catchweight was completely unnecessary.

[/B]If Canelo had won the fight against Mayweather, it would have boosted his cred to astronomical proportions as the first man to defeat him. Instead, he lost both of his SWW belts. If Mayweather would have lost, despite catchweight excuses, he and his fans would have no doubt been devastated. He would no longer be seen as the unbeatable TBE. Oh, and the fight set the PPV buy record. Sounds like a meaningful fight to me.

Correct it was meaningful, but the catchweight was completely unnecessary.

The question was.....
"Give me one good reason/example, as to why a catchweight was necessary in a meaningful fight"

FACT: the catchweight was not necessary.

You are missing the point my friend.

IF a catchweight was necessary, then the fight could not have been meaningful.

Wer need to stop unnecessarily diluting the standards within boxing.

[SUBZER0ED]

BULLSHYTE !

That is exactly what that was, a weight-drain scenario.

Pac had already fought at welter before he fought Cotto, the only reason to demand a catchweight was to attempt to drain Cotto.

I should have said it wasn't a significant weight-drain scenario, such that it sapped Cotto's strength. Pacquiao had only gained crazy weight to fight De La Hoya before he fought Cotto. He immediately went back down to SLW to fight Hatton, and then back up to WW to face Cotto. Since it was a title fight @ a heavier weight which he hadn't regularly fought at, and Cotto had been fighting @ WW for 3 years, Pac wanted a catch weight. Both Cotto & Canelo signed to catch-weights, because they each wanted a chance to defeat the #1 & #2 P4P fighters in the world. They believed they would be successful & they got paid a lot of money to try. Why are you so up in arms over it?