Comments Thread For: Roach: Pacquiao Has Better Legs, a Bit Faster/Stronger

[Spray_resistant]

covering distance faster does not translate into cutting off the ring properly, maintaining the proper distance to land and defend.

Being aesthetically pleasing doesn't mean its effective and you also have to factor in level of opposition.

Manny flails, lifts his rear leg up everytime he throws a left, and cant fight going back or cut off the ring. Most people on this site don't even know what footwork is or entails
Rios and Algieri were not top shelf opposition let alone even top ten contenders

Mayweather has fought 13 major world champions/titlists in a row

Actually its best when just assessing ability to totally ignore the opponent and focus on what you are looking for then compare. I never argued that Floyd wasn't technically superior but I give the edge in athletic ability to Pac.

[Joe Beamish]

Pac, like Marquez, is too teeny weeny to do shez against a guy as skilled as Floyd.

[therealpugilist]

Actually its best when just assessing ability to totally ignore the opponent and focus on what you are looking for then compare. I never argued that Floyd wasn't technically superior but I give the edge in athletic ability to Pac.

Athletically I think they are even

Its hard to assess those attributes because they apply them different.

Any advantage one guys has is only by a small margin or is/will be nullified by something else.

hand Speed...I'd say Manny may be faster throwing combos, Mayweather is faster with single shots...Mayweather places his shots, Manny punches through the target and punches in bunches.


footspeed...imo is even...Manny has short rhythm and Mayweather has long rhythm...Manny is more aggressive he comes forward, Mayweather stays In the right position to land and not get it

power....I'd say is even...neither guy has had a kayo in a long time and both

Manny's shots are unexpected because the angle, Mayweathers because of impeccable timing...most of their common opponents say their power and speed is about the same


The only area that stands out to me for either is Physical strength, reach and reflexes....Mayweather will be the bigger man, longer, stronger fighter with a 5 inch reach advantage. Also his reflexes are a lil bit sharper than Manny who if his hands are not placed properly, he will get clipped clean. Mayweather rolls punches and dodges them at the last millisecond




IMO this fight isn't about talent, or athleticism...they are even in those areas but apply them differently...this fight will be won based off a mix of skill and will...I honestly believe Mayweather will win because of everything we spoke of and he is hungrier than Manny Pacqauio...he has more to lose....Manny can lose 10 more times and people will say he is the best....when Mayweather's opponents win more than a round, people say the opponent troubled him. The expectations people have for Floyd are in a whole other level than Pacs.....People expected Mayweather to be great before he turned pro, Manny came out of no where and beat a lot of odds and surpassed expectations....Like Jim Lampley said, fighting Floyd Mayweather is like a cold dose of reality...cant wait til 5/2

[D4thincarnation]

May weather is 2x lineal champ for a reason...he actually fights the number 1,2,3 guys...Manny fought cotto, clottey, odlh after losses n bad showings... That's not impressive

All the guys you mentioned Floyd fought were coming off career wins not losses

All 4 guys you mentioned were top ten at ww or jmw when he fought them...Bradley can hang with those guys but @ the time Floyd fought them, they'd body alfieri n Rios



Bradley is the only top ten guy Manny has beat since old Mosley


Getting kayoed n beating no hopers ain't p4p material

Floyd cherry pick his fighters, Haymon hypes them up and the gullible fans fall for it.

Remember Form is temporary class is permanent

[D4thincarnation]

Guess what, he beat maidana clear both times...Manny didn't beat jmm 1x conclusively


May weather adjusts better than Manny who is 2-1 with morales, 2-1-1 with jmm 2-2 in my opinion, and 1-1 with Bradley


May weather knows how to win

First time Maidana took 6 rounds of him, landed 220 punches on him and Floyd forced him to wear pillows.

Castillo also beat Floyd in the first fight.

Pacquiao learns from every loss. And has comeback from a KO most mortal men would not be able to.

It is troubling Floyd seems to be using the same PED peddler that help Marquez turn back time and bulk up, that is why I give Floyd a punchers chance this bout.

[therealpugilist]

Floyd cherry pick his fighters, Haymon hypes them up and the gullible fans fall for it.

Remember Form is temporary class is permanent

I like that quote

Doesn't change the fact that no matter what term you use, cherrpicked or Tailor made, Mayweather has fought better opposition than Manny has at welterweight

So mayweather cherry picked champions? Damn now that's talent


Mayweather last 5 opponents were Maidana, Alvarez, Guerrero, Victor Ortiz, and Cotto all were coming off big wins
and he defeated all of them...Guerrero held an interim belt but all the rest held major titles at the weight they fought at when he fought them



Pacquaio's....Algieri(unranked at ww), Rios(unranked at ww coming off a loss), Marquez(KTFO), Bradley(very good win), Mosley( coming off a draw and 1-1-1 prior to facing Manny)



If anybody was cherrypicking, it was Arum putting him in with the loser of Rios vs Alvarado, waiting til mosley looked old and roach admitted he turned the fight down left and right before 2011, Algieri was a guy from a lower weight with a belt, and im sure they thought Manny would beat Marquez in fight 3 considering how Mayweather embarrassed him...boy were they wrong.


we can agree to disagree, but I cant take you serious claiming Pacquaio is the best p4p with the level of competition he has faced since the Cotto fight including getting KTFO by a guy Mayweather made look Foolish.


We cant argue facts though, and the facts are Mayweather has twice as many title fight wins, more title defenses, beat more champions, and top ten contenders in their career and he has like 16 less fights.

[D4thincarnation]

I like that quote

Doesn't change the fact that no matter what term you use, cherrpicked or Tailor made, Mayweather has fought better opposition than Manny has at welterweight

So mayweather cherry picked champions? Damn now that's talent


Mayweather last 5 opponents were Maidana, Alvarez, Guerrero, Victor Ortiz, and Cotto all were coming off big wins
and he defeated all of them...Guerrero held an interim belt but all the rest held major titles at the weight they fought at when he fought them



Pacquaio's....Algieri(unranked at ww), Rios(unranked at ww coming off a loss), Marquez(KTFO), Bradley(very good win), Mosley( coming off a draw and 1-1-1 prior to facing Manny)



If anybody was cherrypicking, it was Arum putting him in with the loser of Rios vs Alvarado, waiting til mosley looked old and roach admitted he turned the fight down left and right before 2011, Algieri was a guy from a lower weight with a belt, and im sure they thought Manny would beat Marquez in fight 3 considering how Mayweather embarrassed him...boy were they wrong.


we can agree to disagree, but I cant take you serious claiming Pacquaio is the best p4p with the level of competition he has faced since the Cotto fight including getting KTFO by a guy Mayweather made look Foolish.


We cant argue facts though, and the facts are Mayweather has twice as many title fight wins, more title defenses, beat more champions, and top ten contenders in their career and he has like 16 less fights.

Ortiz: Please
Guerrero: Tough guy, but we no he is not top level
Canelo: Decent boxer in a weak division, very green as well.
Maidana: Alexander shut him out easy

With all these multiple belt around any top 10 guy can be champ some a lot further down than that.

Pacquiao has all the tools to trouble Floyd. Floyd only got his straight right hand. It just ain't enough.

[therealpugilist]

First time Maidana took 6 rounds of him, landed 220 punches on him and Floyd forced him to wear pillows.

Castillo also beat Floyd in the first fight.

Pacquiao learns from every loss. And has comeback from a KO most mortal men would not be able to.

It is troubling Floyd seems to be using the same PED peddler that help Marquez turn back time and bulk up, that is why I give Floyd a punchers chance this bout.

stopped taking you seriously after I read this post


you sound like a troll or a fan boy


im not trying to insult you but why do you pac fans bring up PED for other fighters but don't stop to think and acknowledge that Manny's own coach said Random Blood and urine tests killed negotiations in the past, then came manny's cut, the outdoor stadium, etc.

I'd fight Manny or floyd with one hand tied behind my back for 100k

I don't like needles and ive given blood. The amount is a few ML and its not draining. Eating a friggin cookie can replenish whats lost. If youre not cheating take the damn test. Ironically once the allegations started, Pacs team changed and the kayos dropped in frequency, but you completely ignore the that right

[D4thincarnation]

stopped taking you seriously after I read this post


you sound like a troll or a fan boy


im not trying to insult you but why do you pac fans bring up PED for other fighters but don't stop to think and acknowledge that Manny's own coach said Random Blood and urine tests killed negotiations in the past, then came manny's cut, the outdoor stadium, etc.

I'd fight Manny or floyd with one hand tied behind my back for 100k

I don't like needles and ive given blood. The amount is a few ML and its not draining. Eating a friggin cookie can replenish whats lost. If youre not cheating take the damn test. Ironically once the allegations started, Pacs team changed and the kayos dropped in frequency, but you completely ignore the that right

I bring the PED accusation because a known PED peddler has been visiting Floyd's gym. Not only that Floyd has admitted to have his blood removed, spinning it and then put back into his body. Sounds a lot like blood doping to me.

Floyd has also refused VADA testing

Everything I has said is fact, make of it what you wish, but I am su****ious of Floyd. Like you said, he know how to win. And will do what it takes to win.

[therealpugilist]

Ortiz: Please
Guerrero: Tough guy, but we no he is not top level
Canelo: Decent boxer in a weak division, very green as well.
Maidana: Alexander shut him out easy

With all these multiple belt around any top 10 guy can be champ some a lot further down than that.

Pacquiao has all the tools to trouble Floyd. Floyd only got his straight right hand. It just ain't enough.

so Algieri and Rios were world beaters right? lol at least Floyd fights guys who actually compete in his weight class lol

you don't sound very sure about Manny winning.

"HE'LL trouble Floyd" why are all these Pac fans saying this crap.

That's weak as ****...its about wins, no moral victories or giving good accounts

Mayweather is coming to win


No matter how you try to water things down, Mayweather has defeated more world class guys than Manny. Its just facts.



There has been no doubt in my mind Mayweather beats him today and years ago. He is just a better fighter. Manny is great but I don't see him beating Floyd and never did.


The difference between me and you is Im sure Mayweather wins...you hope Manny wins...that's like wishing for a rainbow. will win and the only way he doesn't is if Manny Knocks him the **** out...I said this about Roy Jones and the same goes for Floyd....you aint beating nobody like that with no clear loss by decision. too much talent, experience, smarts and skill.

Manny is the one with the punchers chance