At what point do we stop using the "GGG is being ducked" excuse?

[HeroBando]

Don't be ridiculous. Golovkin's only job is to fight who they put in front of him.



What about Dirrell, Groves, Bika, etc, have they tried them? (not that they'll say yes)

Again, it doesn't hurt to try. And it certainly benefits GGG more to take out a top 15 SMW, then another top MW.

Dirrells, Bika with Haymon. Groves would be ok despite the brutal ko

[Mooshashi]

Cotto will fight winner of Pac-May, meaning he fights Mayweather in September. He makes tens of millions vs May ( or Pac) in a big PPV bout and maybe MAYBE a million or two on HBO vs GGG.

Do the math....Cotto is fighting for his family and his big titty wife not for you and me.

[BlakBread904]

That is literally nothing what I am saying. Stop skimming and read the thread.

what is the social media/public pressure that you are in favor of, supposed to do then?

[King_]

Dirrells, Bika with Haymon. Groves would be ok despite the brutal ko

I agree Golovkin brutalizes Groves, but that's not the point. See instead of continuing the same cycle.... taking a risk and REALLY trying hard to fight Groves would benefit Golovkin more, legacy wise, then fighting the same type of top 10-15 MW's who he's clearly better then. (if he doesn't get a big fight lets say, later this year)

Cotto will fight winner of Pac-May, meaning he fights Mayweather in September. He makes tens of millions vs May ( or Pac) in a big PPV bout and maybe MAYBE a million or two on HBO vs GGG.

Do the math....Cotto is fighting for his family and his big titty wife not for you and me.

Thanks. I could care less about Cotto and about 2% of this entire thread has to do with Cotto.

My suggestion with the social media thing and Cotto was just using Cotto as an example, because he's the one many Golovkin fans want to fight next. Because he's holding the "lineal" MW title.

Besides that, all Cotto has to do with this thread is the fact that he either fights Golovkin after taking care of his voluntary defense, or he drops his title. Then he can chase whoever he wants.

what is the social media/public pressure that you are in favor of, supposed to do then?

You said that by them doing that "it's not like it's magically going to make any of the duckers fight him."

I never said it would, and the rest of this thread (most of it) is about what I believe he should do if they still continue to duck him after that.

[bojangles1987]

The problem with moving up to 168 for anything less than a big fight like Ward, Froch, or Chavez is that if he wins and looks every bit the monster he was he is at 160, he ends up right back where he was at MW before, and all the work he put into MW is gone.

I don't think he should bother unless there's a fight worth moving up for.

[ИATAS]

Cotto will fight winner of Pac-May, meaning he fights Mayweather in September. He makes tens of millions vs May ( or Pac) in a big PPV bout and maybe MAYBE a million or two on HBO vs GGG.

Do the math....Cotto is fighting for his family and his big titty wife not for you and me.

There is no guarantee that fight happens next. If Pac-May is remotely close, if there is any controversy, they could certainly rematch considering how much money they are making.

[ИATAS]

I agree Golovkin brutalizes Groves, but that's not the point. See instead of continuing the same cycle.... taking a risk and REALLY trying hard to fight Groves would benefit Golovkin more, legacy wise, then fighting the same type of top 10-15 MW's who he's clearly better then. (if he doesn't get a big fight lets say, later this year)

Groves has a mandatory with Dirrell for Dirrell's title later in the year. He's taking a soft touch next and then will fight Dirrell. That's the plan for Groves career at this point, rebuilding from the Froch KO's. They even past on DeGale, so they clearly have a plan set in place for him.

[Zen_Fighter]

I don't necessarily see people ducking him, but he does need to pick up some better opponents. Cotto, Quillen needs to happen. How realistic is that? Lemieux would be entertaining while it lasted. At least GGG has been active and that I respect!

[King_]

There is no guarantee that fight happens next. If Pac-May is remotely close, if there is any controversy, they could certainly rematch considering how much money they are making.

The problem with moving up to 168 for anything less than a big fight like Ward, Froch, or Chavez is that if he wins and looks every bit the monster he was he is at 160, he ends up right back where he was at MW before, and all the work he put into MW is gone.

I don't think he should bother unless there's a fight worth moving up for.

What do you guys think about the notion that Golovkin is maxed up/reached his ceiling with his current promotional/management team? They've done great thus far... but, do you feel he has a better chance to get the "big fights" quicker with someone like lets say, Arum, DLH.... or dare I say it: Haymon?

Or as you guys keep saying... the big fights WILL come for GGG with his current team- we just have to wait a bit longer?

[bojangles1987]

What do you guys think about the notion that Golovkin is maxed up/reached his ceiling with his current promotional/management team? They've done great thus far... but, do you feel he has a better chance to get the "big fights" quicker with someone like lets say, Arum, DLH.... or dare I say it: Haymon?

Or as you guys keep saying... the big fights WILL come for GGG with his current team- we just have to wait a bit longer?

The big guys seem to have very little influence over 160-175 compared to the rest of the sport. Top Rank is nearly nonexistent, Haymon has a few key fighters but doesn't control any of these divisions, and Golden Boy has no one.

Not like I'm an expert, but I think Golovkin is better off sticking with promoters who can work with anyone within those divisions than choosing a big one that might sideline him too often.