Comments Thread For: In-Ring Monster Golovkin Must Relent To Get Big Fight

[HeroBando]

Everything is about Race on some level, America doesn't REALLY HAVE an affinity for a lot of things underneath it all, ethnic groups, races included.

Your just sensitive, simple and plain, and that's not my fault. Educate your self and maybe you can learn to display more maturity in your choice of words and your attitude, which stinks by the way.

You sound very illiterate on this subject matter, please give me break.

Too much estrogen maybe?

Testosterone pills, try some.


"The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." - Marcus Aurelius, Roman Emperor ** :ANYWORD:

Im sensitive? Who came here to cry about racially motivated hype?

Again dumbo, Ggg is an extremely unlikely subject of network hype. Theres no history of networks hyping unknown, barely English speaking Kazakhs. He was not built up vs patsies on Hbo for outsized purses, like Berto say. What Hbo liked about him is hes really good, really exciting, really cheap, fights frequently, and doesnt pass on offers. Whats not to like?

[HeroBando]

you said:

People throw around that term "bum" pretty damn loosely these days if a decorated amateur like Golovkin, with over 300 victories and a silver medal, and an undefeated pro record against "decent" opponents including numerous top 10 ranked fighters in his division, is considered a bum.


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True. Point made, but being an Olympian doesn't make you a good or great Pro, despite his decorated background, he's proven nothing, the Hype is un warranted still imo.

you said:

"Mexicans and whites, since that is the majority of the fanbase of boxing in America. There isn't a big "african american market" anymore, those days have past, say for some Mayweather fans. And of course some Filipino fans for Manny.

Just about any popular fighter in the US is going to have a very large white & Mexican fanbase, because again, that IS the fan base in America.



Right like I said above. There are hardly ANY Cuban boxing fans in America. Hardly ANY Asian fans in America (unless you're talking about pacific islanders in Filipino fans).

USA boxing is the vast majority white and meixcan. The days of the 50's are gone, man.



OK man this isn't 1950. Golovkin is from Kazakhstan. His mother is Korean, making him half asian and Kazakhstan is located where, genius? Is it in Whiteville? Is it the capital of White-boy? No. It's where, Central Asia? Hmm."


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True again. There's no longer a huge "Black American" or Cuban fanbase etc, but the 2 biggest would be White and Latino's that's right again, but in "context" Golovkin STILL doesn't have a HUGE Mexican fan base and doesn't have a HUGE white fan base in America, but from Europe and abroad.

In America he's being Hyped, and while there's again NOTHING WRONG with having a diverse fanbase, if he ever get's one that STILL DOESNT PROVE he's a "good", "very good", or "Great fighter". Fighting and beating convincingly ,"very good" or "great fighters in the ring is where the proof lay silent still to this day.

Again he's proven very little in the ring, except against very inferior competition, and until he steps up his competiton, I will continue to feel nauseated when Golovkin is mentioned or compared with the REAL Great fighter's of the past.

And yes, HE IS getting the "Great White hope" type of treatment by Fan-cults and Media alike imo. :ANYWORD:

Is that the Great White Hype treatment Tyson was getting when destroying huge underdogs?

[doninlouisiana]

Destroying decent competition doesn't make you "Very good" or "Great" either.


And that's right, Golovkin from Kazakhstan has a very small fanbase in the West, further highlighting my point, and if we were to do a racial breakdown of his fanbase in the West, what do you think it would look like honestly? lol

I know, it would be predominately, Cubans, Mexicans, Asians and Black Americans right? of course not. Is that wrong? no, not in its self, I mean its only natural, but the FACT remains that there is a "Priviledge" that come's with being White, and in the Sport of Boxing, the HYPE is bigger and more Intense..

Why someone might ask? because the Boxing power base and structure is predominately White, controlled by White people, and naturally they are "Racist" to a degree and favor Whites to the detriment of Non-Whites even... Does the Truth offend you?

Hmm, well Im not sorry if it does, but again your not to blame per say, that is Life as we know on Planet Earth.

So again, Whatever...and it is what it is. :ANYWORD:

Quick questions: In your opinion who would you consider a good fighter for Golovkin to fight at 160, that he has not already tried to fight or fought? Who would he have to beat for you to acknowledge that he is indeed an excellent fighter if not one of the best at this moment? Thanks in advance, if you should reply.

[ManAnimalX]

Your still Sensitive

Im sensitive? Who came here to cry about racially motivated hype?

Again dumbo, Ggg is an extremely unlikely subject of network hype. Theres no history of networks hyping unknown, barely English speaking Kazakhs. He was not built up vs patsies on Hbo for outsized purses, like Berto say. What Hbo liked about him is hes really good, really exciting, really cheap, fights frequently, and doesnt pass on offers. Whats not to like?

Crying involves tears, there are none, but bringing up the subject matter of Race, and the privilege that comes with it in the Sport of Boxing causes "Sensitive" types to "Cry Foul".... kinda like your doing.

1. Mostly due to Ignorance of Subject matter, like you.

2. Because of guilt and shame..........and SENSITIVITY. Like You again

But.......Whatever, it is what it is.

“The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” - Marcus Aurelius, Roman Emperor
:ANYWORD:

[ИATAS]

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ah Valero, remember him quite well, I remember that he beat Antonio DeMarco in his prime, a "good" some would say "very good fighter" with some pop in his punches, strong willed, and he quit on his stool, the Power that Valero could generate was awesome.

He's was quick, crafty, shifty, could box, move and ****, didn't need to set his feet to generate power, like Golovkin does etc, and Valero had NO HUGE FAN BASE in America either, but there was no question the guy was a "Great Talent".

But name me 1 PPV Valero headlined?...........exactly, plus he wasn't WHITE, which is why he wasn't getting the BIG PUSH FROM CORPORATE WHITE AMERICA....., didn't have that "clean cut boy next door look" there attempting to pla·gia·rize on the fans with Golovkin.

Golovkin possess what besides Power?, how is he truly versatile?.........there's no comparison imo even with Valero.

Again, besides all this, Golovkin is STILL a HYPE JOB created by the Powers that be in the Sport of Boxing.


I think the reward for conformity is that everyone likes you except yourself. - Rita Mae Brown " :ANYWORD:

Uh, Valero killed himself before he reached his potential obviously. He was on the verge of becoming a star. He was one to two fights away from a PPV with Pacquiao, not because he wasn't getting a push from white America, you troll. Plus there was the problem of him not being allowed to fight in the US because of VISA problems due to his DUI in Texas and other legal problems. Valero didn't become a star because he killed his wife and himself, that's it. He was getting a lot of hype prior, too bad.

No one in the sport of boxing created Golovkin lol. He became a star fighting his way up the ranks and getting an opportunity on HBO, which he made the most of and eventually earned himself a contract. Nothing artificial about Golovkin, he is a fighter, an entertaining fighter that people want to watch. As far as him lacking great wins, that is at no fault of his own, the bigger names turned him down Sergio Martinez, Cotto, Quillin and Chavez pulled out. Lesser guys like N'dam and Sturm all rejected fights with him. He can only fight those willing to step in the ring with him.

[The Gambler1981]

Uh, Valero killed himself before he reached his potential obviously. He was on the verge of becoming a star. He was one to two fights away from a PPV with Pacquiao, not because he wasn't getting a push from white America, you troll. Plus there was the problem of him not being allowed to fight in the US because of VISA problems due to his DUI in Texas and other legal problems. Valero didn't become a star because he killed his wife and himself, that's it. He was getting a lot of hype prior, too bad.

No one in the sport of boxing created Golovkin lol. He became a star fighting his way up the ranks and getting an opportunity on HBO, which he made the most of and eventually earned himself a contract. Nothing artificial about Golovkin, he is a fighter, an entertaining fighter that people want to watch. As far as him lacking great wins, that is at no fault of his own, the bigger names turned him down Sergio Martinez, Cotto, Quillin and Chavez pulled out. Lesser guys like N'dam, Quillin and Sturm all rejected fights with him. He can only fight those willing to step in the ring with him.

Not to mention the bleed he had that normally excludes you from getting a license in the US at all.

[ManAnimalX]

Quick questions: In your opinion who would you consider a good fighter for Golovkin to fight at 160, that he has not already tried to fight or fought? Who would he have to beat for you to acknowledge that he is indeed an excellent fighter if not one of the best at this moment? Thanks in advance, if you should reply.

There are none, no fighters at 160 for Golovkin to prove his quality against, and there HASN'T BEEN (3 yrs plus) for quite some time now......So the question is "What have Golovkin and his Team been doing for the past 3+ years in the ring beyond fighting "has been's", slow plodders like his self, the average and inadequate?

Nothing, collecting million dollar paychecks from HBO for fighting what amounts to BUMS for Golovkin. So ask yourself that question, what does Golovkin need to do to Prove he is a "Very Good" fighter, who they say is great?

Logic says "he needs to fight" other very good or great fighters..lol, its not rocket science, its called modern day sports, and the majority of you fans have become "Apologist", can't see or refuse to see the TRUTH even when its staring in the face, its more comfortable going along to get along, they say.

No step up, no Glory, just HYPE.

“The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” - Marcus Aurelius, Roman Emperor :ANYWORD:

[ИATAS]

Not to mention the bleed he had that normally excludes you from getting a license in the US at all.

Right which did prevent him from fighting in the US for years until he was medically cleared in Texas (or Nevada I can't remember).

His fight against DeMarco was in Cancun because of his legal problems. And yes, "white corporate America" still had him headline a card in Mexico, which obviously HBO doesn't do that often.

Comical debate. "White" Golovkin who is from central Asia with a Korean mother was created by white corporate America lol.

[lefthook2daliva]

What's really scary is that if Cotto fights Bradley in June and Bradley wins, you know Bradley's crazy ass won't hesitate to fight GGG for the MW title.

Sure you're right. Bradley should change his boxing name to "Honey Badger" cause he just don't give a ****!

[The Gambler1981]

Right which did prevent him from fighting in the US for years until he was medically cleared in Texas (or Nevada I can't remember).

His fight against DeMarco was in Cancun because of his legal problems. And yes, "white corporate America" still had him headline a card in Mexico, which obviously HBO doesn't do that often.

Comical debate. "White" Golovkin who is from central Asia with a Korean mother was created by white corporate America lol.

I would say Golvkin is on the HBO building stars one round at a time plan but beyond that it is all on him to turn that into something.

Valero and Golovkin aside from being big punchers there is not much in common about them. I think i would have gone a lot of places before I went Valero.