GGG vs prime toney, haggler, RJJ, Hopkins and hearns.

[joseph5620]

This just fuels the Golovkin haters rage even more man lol c'mon

[richardt]

For instance, the Hagler Mugabi fight showed an amazing will and war of attrition from both guys. The shots those guys took in that brutal affair is far from anything GGG has been exposed to. Mugabi before he fought Hagler was a brutal, destructive puncher and in the Hagler fight showed an amazing heart as did Hagler. Lets see what happens when an opponent GGG is facing takes his best and is throwing back VICIOUS ripping punches in a WAR.

As well, the Hearns that fought Hagler was exchanging heat sinking missiles and I have no doubt Hagler, Hearns, and even Mugabi could have wrecked GGG and I will not think otherwise till GGG has shown that he can face a blizzard of destructive bombs in non-stop action.

And I believe prime Hopkins could nullify much of what GGG does and out smart GGG to win a UD. RJJ at Middleweight would have had too much speed and power and out of this world reflexes at 160/168. Now this topic needs to go away for 5 years and then reviewed after we see how GGG does over time. I believe in 5 years even having this conversation could be laughable because VERY FEW fighters become ultimate ATG's and while I think GGG is superb, the odds are stacked against him and more so if he cannot secure a superfight against a great or near great, let alone an ATG.

[richardt]

how does he not belong in the same category?
he dominated all the top fighters in the division (and quillin literally ducking him by telling him to move to 168, wat the ****). despite a weak division, he took them all out like no one else in the division has.
thats how A level fighters are made, dominating performances on B level fighters.
then A level fighters fight each other to see whos the best. no??

this guy is saying how does golovkin compare to them?? ur answer is: golovkin is a B class fighter.
WHAT???????
Come on.

Are you fuc.king serious??? There is a difference between a level A fighter and an ATG! When you compare the odds of fighters you compare ATG's with ATG's or HOF fighters with HOF fighters or A level fighters with A level fighters but you don't compare A level fighters with ATG's until they have fought great fighters! I'm not giving points to a fighter just because other fighters wont fight him. Eventually he will face his nemesis or two and then we will know if he can be placed at a higher level...till then, that bread is not baked yet!

[nivek535]

For instance, the Hagler Mugabi fight showed an amazing will and war of attrition from both guys. The shots those guys took in that brutal affair is far from anything GGG has been exposed to. Mugabi before he fought Hagler was a brutal, destructive puncher and in the Hagler fight showed an amazing heart as did Hagler. Lets see what happens when an opponent GGG is facing takes his best and is throwing back VICIOUS ripping punches in a WAR.

As well, the Hearns that fought Hagler was exchanging heat sinking missiles and I have no doubt Hagler, Hearns, and even Mugabi could have wrecked GGG and I will not think otherwise till GGG has shown that he can face a blizzard of destructive bombs in non-stop action.

And I believe prime Hopkins could nullify much of what GGG does and out smart GGG to win a UD. RJJ at Middleweight would have had too much speed and power and out of this world reflexes at 160/168. Now this topic needs to go away for 5 years and then reviewed after we see how GGG does over time. I believe in 5 years even having this conversation could be laughable because VERY FEW fighters become ultimate ATG's and while I think GGG is superb, the odds are stacked against him and more so if he cannot secure a superfight against a great or near great, let alone an ATG.

lets see..
who did mugabi fight to build up to his image?
25-0 against...
at age 31, he had 4 losses all ending in KO.
right. so mugabi is a big name to beat in spectacular fashion

[Beercules]

Knocks them all out cold.

[richardt]

lets see..
who did mugabi fight to build up to his image?
25-0 against...
at age 31, he had 4 losses all ending in KO.
right. so mugabi is a big name to beat in spectacular fashion

I used Mugabi as an example to show a man who fought a war of attrition and showed the kind of guts, power, and heart that GGG has not had to face. I'm not saying it is a given Mugabi would beat GGG but the Mugabi who faced Hagler would have put GGG through hell and we still have to see if GGG can face that type of fight where he has to dig down and fight his heart out when he is being rocked and hit by a fighter who takes his best and is firing back with a non-stop attack. The Mugabi that fought Hagler showed all those things in his fight with Hagler. At 31, Mugabi was already ruined from the Hagler war. As to the greats, GGG does not belong in that breath till he has been declared a GREAT. Like I said, reopen the discussion in 5 years to fully evaluate where GGG's place in history is.

[GOD-FR33]

GGGvsToney. James Toney by decision or possibly, KO.

GGGvsHagler. Hagler via beat down or possibly KO.

GGGvsRJJ. GGG by KO. I think he KO's RJJ, late.

GGGvsHopkins. GGG by decision.

GGGvsHearns. This is a toss up fight. Hearns could KO a charging GGG, or GGG could take advantage of Hearn's bravery, and KO him. Somebody would definitely get KO'ed.

The jury is STILL out on GGG. What happens when he faces a highly skilled opponent who is just as mean as he is? Like a Chavez Jr? Or an Andre Ward? How will his chin hold up against constant power for 12 rounds? I know he is the real deal but there are still questions like these to be answered. He is a true throwback fighter who is willing to challenge himself against the best. He wants to be the best and has no fear. He is not protecting his "0", like Floyd did all of these years. I am a Triple G fan.

[GOD-FR33]

I used Mugabi as an example to show a man who fought a war of attrition and showed the kind of guts, power, and heart that GGG has not had to face. I'm not saying it is a given Mugabi would beat GGG but the Mugabi who faced Hagler would have put GGG through hell and we still have to see if GGG can face that type of fight where he has to dig down and fight his heart out when he is being rocked and hit by a fighter who takes his best and is firing back with a non-stop attack. The Mugabi that fought Hagler showed all those things in his fight with Hagler. At 31, Mugabi was already ruined from the Hagler war. As to the greats, GGG does not belong in that breath till he has been declared a GREAT. Like I said, reopen the discussion in 5 years to fully evaluate where GGG's place in history is.

Good post here. I totally agree with you. Mugabi was an absolute BEAST! Do not forget that at the point he and Hagler fought, he was KO'ing everyone! LoL. He would have a good chance to defeat Triple G, without question. SRL would make him look ****** and beat Triple G up. He is too slow and isn't skilled enough.

[richardt]

GGGvsToney. James Toney by decision or possibly, KO.

GGGvsHagler. Hagler via beat down or possibly KO.

GGGvsRJJ. GGG by KO. I think he KO's RJJ, late.

GGGvsHopkins. GGG by decision.

GGGvsHearns. This is a toss up fight. Hearns could KO a charging GGG, or GGG could take advantage of Hearn's bravery, and KO him. Somebody would definitely get KO'ed.

The jury is STILL out on GGG. What happens when he faces a highly skilled opponent who is just as mean as he is? Like a Chavez Jr? Or an Andre Ward? How will his chin hold up against constant power for 12 rounds? I know he is the real deal but there are still questions like these to be answered. He is a true throwback fighter who is willing to challenge himself against the best. He wants to be the best and has no fear. He is not protecting his "0", like Floyd did all of these years. I am a Triple G fan.

At 160/168, Jones was a blizzard and barely touchable. GGG is infinitely easier to hit and by guys much, much, MUCH slower than Jones. Jones cat-like speed and reflexes would have frustrated and kept GGG one or two steps behind. Dominant win for Jones. Just check out the youtubes of a young Jones. The perfect fighting machine.

[GOD-FR33]

At 160/168, Jones was a blizzard and barely touchable. GGG is infinitely easier to hit and by guys much, much, MUCH slower than Jones. Jones cat-like speed and reflexes would have frustrated and kept GGG one or two steps behind. Dominant win for Jones. Just check out the youtubes of a young Jones. The perfect fighting machine.

RJJ was overrated, man. Untouchable? Not at all. SRL would've touched him. Hagler would've touched him. Michael Nunn would've touched him, and Hearns would've touched him, also. He faced a lot of average fighters, just like Floyd does today. Triple G would HIT Roy, rather you like it or not. I don't care how fast he is. Fast doesn't beat Triple G. Heart and the ability to take a punch and pain, does. Roy was a prize fighter, not a fighter at heart. Floyd and Roy are often overrated on this site. You guys think they are better than what they are.