Is Ray Robinson really "TBE"? How u know if none of you were alive back then..

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  • mrlopez
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    #41
    Originally posted by Joe Beamish
    Hagler was robbed of a draw maybe. Hagler was completely unable to impose his will on him. And you've got LaMotta and Basilio equal to Hagler?? That's an eccentric point of view, highly unusual. Can't see it. They lost a million fights and had nothing like Hagler's skills. Not even close.

    Gavilán was SRR's best victory (twice) in my view. Yep. Better than Hearns? Why? Maybe close.

    What slick boxer like Benitez did SRR beat? Any names?

    Duran was incredibly good even at WW and Leonard beat him fair and square the second time.

    SRR: Gavilán, Basilio, LaMatta and an old Armstrong
    SRL: Duran, Benitez, Hearns, Hagler

    Leonard beat the better guys.
    If Leonard says SRR was the best, who are you to argue differently?

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    • Joe Beamish
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      #42
      Originally posted by mrlopez
      If Leonard says SRR was the best, who are you to argue differently?
      Leonard is Mr. Respect. He's Mr. Class.

      Nobody wants to hear him say, "Actually I'm better than Robinson."

      That's not his style.

      But he beat the better fighters by far. And I think Leonard was every bit as good as Robinson, if not even better.

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      • gamesworn
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        #43
        Originally posted by tusc1976
        - IF WE ACTUALLY NEVER SEEN THE FIGHTER FIGHT THEN, HE AINT TBE TO ME --- My great grandfather told me he was good should I believe tall tales and *****
        I can watch every fight MIKE Tyson had and at age 19 he destroyed almost every top heavy weight and since I can rewatch it and watch IMMA say he's ****ing great --- I can only see a hand full off Robinson ---- he's great to my great grandfather but not to me..sorry.

        U guys can't name 5 greats he's fought and 5 of those U won't be able to me their legacy traits --- why cause u don't know robinsons greatness except what old timers say..
        The only greats U should be talking about is people U can actually say U seen but if u ain't seen it UR going off another dudes word of mouth play --- make your own mind up instead of what old histtorians say
        His Title Fights

        07/41: Sammy Angott (#1 LW) @ 135 IBHOF
        10/41: Fritzie Zivic (#3 WW) IBHOF
        01/42: Fritzie Zivic (#3 WW) IBHOF
        03/42: Norman Rubio (#10 WW)
        07/42: Sammy Angott (LW Champ) @ 147 IBHOF
        08/42: Tony Mutisi (#9 WW)
        10/42: Jake LaMotta (#6 MW) IBHOF
        10/42: Izzy Jannazzo (#8 WW)
        12/42: Izzy Jannazzo (#8 WW)
        02/43: Jake LaMotta (#2 MW) IBHOF L
        02/43: Jackie Wilson (#3 WW)
        02/43: Jake LaMotta (#2 MW) IBHOF
        08/43: Henry Armstrong (#1 WW 1944) IBHOF
        10/44: Izzy Jannazaro (#8 WW)
        09/45: Jake LaMotta (#2 MW) IBHOF
        03/46: Sammy Angott (#8 WW) IBHOF
        12/46: Tommy Bell (World WW Championship)
        05/47: Georgie Abrams (#5 MW) WBHOF
        06/47: Jimmy Doyle (#7 WW)
        06/48: Bernard Docusen (#3 WW)
        09/48: Kid Gavilan (#1 WW) @ 150+ IBHOF
        07/49: Kid Gavilan (#1 WW) IBHOF
        08/49: Steve Belloise (#2 MW)
        04/50: Ray Barnes (#7 MW)
        06/50: Robert Villemain (#3 MW)
        08/50: Charley Fusari (#3 WW)
        02/51: Jake LaMotta (World MW Champion) IBHOF
        07/51: Randy Turpin (#1 MW) IBHOF L
        09/51: Randy Turpin (World MW Champion) IBHOF
        03/52: Carl Olson (#2 MW) IBHOF
        04/52: Rocky Graziano (#10 MW) IBHOF
        06/52: Joey Maxim (World LHW Champion) IBHOF L
        07/55: Ralph Castellani (#2 MW)
        12/55: Carl Olson (World MW Champion) IBHOF
        05/56: Carl Olson (#1 MW) IBHOF
        01/57: Gene Fullmer (#1 MW) IBHOF L
        05/57: Gene Fullmer (World MW Champion) IBHOF
        09/57: Carmen Basilio IBHOF L
        03/58: Carmen Basilio (World MW Champion) IBHOF

        Note: I just copy it on a different site who posted this. I also added the IBHOF/WBHOF status of his opponents.

        Edit: I made a mistake, he lose some of those fight.
        Edit 2: I added his losses
        Last edited by gamesworn; 02-22-2015, 02:18 PM.

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        • URAGONAKO
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          #44
          Originally posted by mrlopez
          If Leonard says SRR was the best, who are you to argue differently?
          HAHAHA

          People forgot to mention those old timers fought 5 plus a year, even with a cab fighter they would suffer a great lost on their mileage.

          Imagine if the new generation like Floyd fought for just 4 times a year he would gotten a lost from a bum too!

          Nobody is invincible in boxing... period!

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            #45
            Originally posted by tusc1976
            - IF WE ACTUALLY NEVER SEEN THE FIGHTER FIGHT THEN, HE AINT TBE TO ME --- My great grandfather told me he was good should I believe tall tales and *****
            I can watch every fight MIKE Tyson had and at age 19 he destroyed almost every top heavy weight and since I can rewatch it and watch IMMA say he's ****ing great --- I can only see a hand full off Robinson ---- he's great to my great grandfather but not to me..sorry.

            U guys can't name 5 greats he's fought and 5 of those U won't be able to me their legacy traits --- why cause u don't know robinsons greatness except what old timers say..
            The only greats U should be talking about is people U can actually say U seen but if u ain't seen it UR going off another dudes word of mouth play --- make your own mind up instead of what old histtorians say
            dinosaurs are not real and the world is still flat..mind blown...

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            • mrlopez
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              #46
              Originally posted by Joe Beamish
              Leonard is Mr. Respect. He's Mr. Class.

              Nobody wants to hear him say, "Actually I'm better than Robinson."

              That's not his style.

              But he beat the better fighters by far. And I think Leonard was every bit as good as Robinson, if not even better.
              opinions are like as.sholes....everyone has one, unfortunately yours stinks

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                #47
                Originally posted by gamesworn
                SRR Best Wins

                This is a list that a guy compiled over at ESB (I'd give credit but I forget the poster's name).

                07/41: Sammy Angott (#1 LW) @ 135 IBHOF
                10/41: Fritzie Zivic (#3 WW) IBHOF
                01/42: Fritzie Zivic (#3 WW) IBHOF
                03/42: Norman Rubio (#10 WW)
                07/42: Sammy Angott (LW Champ) @ 147 IBHOF
                08/42: Tony Mutisi (#9 WW)
                10/42: Jake LaMotta (#6 MW) IBHOF
                10/42: Izzy Jannazzo (#8 WW)
                12/42: Izzy Jannazzo (#8 WW)
                02/43: Jake LaMotta (#2 MW) IBHOF
                02/43: Jackie Wilson (#3 WW)
                02/43: Jake LaMotta (#2 MW) IBHOF
                08/43: Henry Armstrong (#1 WW 1944) IBHOF
                10/44: Izzy Jannazaro (#8 WW)
                09/45: Jake LaMotta (#2 MW) IBHOF
                03/46: Sammy Angott (#8 WW) IBHOF
                12/46: Tommy Bell (World WW Championship)
                05/47: Georgie Abrams (#5 MW) WBHOF
                06/47: Jimmy Doyle (#7 WW)
                06/48: Bernard Docusen (#3 WW)
                09/48: Kid Gavilan (#1 WW) @ 150+ IBHOF
                07/49: Kid Gavilan (#1 WW) IBHOF
                08/49: Steve Belloise (#2 MW)
                04/50: Ray Barnes (#7 MW)
                06/50: Robert Villemain (#3 MW)
                08/50: Charley Fusari (#3 WW)
                02/51: Jake LaMotta (World MW Champion) IBHOF
                07/51: Randy Turpin (#1 MW) IBHOF
                09/51: Randy Turpin (World MW Champion) IBHOF
                03/52: Carl Olson (#2 MW) IBHOF
                04/52: Rocky Graziano (#10 MW) IBHOF
                06/52: Joey Maxim (World LHW Champion) IBHOF
                07/55: Ralph Castellani (#2 MW)
                12/55: Carl Olson (World MW Champion) IBHOF
                05/56: Carl Olson (#1 MW) IBHOF
                01/57: Gene Fullmer (#1 MW) IBHOF
                05/57: Gene Fullmer (World MW Champion) IBHOF
                09/57: Carmen Basilio IBHOF
                03/58: Carmen Basilio (World MW Champion) IBHOF

                Note: I just copy it on a different site who posted this. I also added the IBHOF/WBHOF status of his opponents.
                He beat 10 IBHOF fighters, many multiple times and won titles from LW to LHW...amazing!!! But he lost doe so he can't be "TBE" lol

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                • Joe Beamish
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                  #48
                  Yep. Mostly clunky white brawlers, frankly.

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                  • Skip Bayless
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                    #49
                    Originally posted by Joe Beamish
                    SRR MAY have been the best ever.

                    But as the OP asks: what are his best wins? He won a million fights. But who did he beat? Are his opponents really as great as:

                    Benitez
                    Duran
                    Hearns
                    Hagler

                    ?
                    u want to me to destroy srl resume? because i can. in fact everyones resume cant be made to look ****
                    Originally posted by tusc1976
                    like i said, i only seen a handfull of his fights and that not enuff bruh
                    u dont need to see all his 200 fights to know how good he was. there are plenty of his big fights on youtube

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                    • gamesworn
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                      #50
                      Originally posted by Jsmooth9876
                      He beat 10 IBHOF fighters, many multiple times and won titles from LW to LHW...amazing!!! But he lost doe so he can't be "TBE" lol
                      Nah he didn't won all those fight. I edit my post.

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