Is Ray Robinson really "TBE"? How u know if none of you were alive back then..

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  • mathed
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    #21
    Originally posted by tusc1976
    - IF WE ACTUALLY NEVER SEEN THE FIGHTER FIGHT THEN, HE AINT TBE TO ME --- My great grandfather told me he was good should I believe tall tales and *****
    I can watch every fight MIKE Tyson had and at age 19 he destroyed almost every top heavy weight and since I can rewatch it and watch IMMA say he's ****ing great --- I can only see a hand full off Robinson ---- he's great to my great grandfather but not to me..sorry.

    U guys can't name 5 greats he's fought and 5 of those U won't be able to me their legacy traits --- why cause u don't know robinsons greatness except what old timers say..
    The only greats U should be talking about is people U can actually say U seen but if u ain't seen it UR going off another dudes word of mouth play --- make your own mind up instead of what old histtorians say
    Dude won twice as many fights as Floyd before he ever lost once. It's taken Floyd an entire career of carefully picking fights to just approach 50 wins...........

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    • Wizardsh
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      #22
      Originally posted by Joe Beamish
      Yeah, no one's answered the core question: Who were the best fighters that SRR defeated? And do they match up to the best fighters Leonard defeated?
      How about you get off your fat lazy azz and do research so you can feel ******

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        #23
        Originally posted by tusc1976
        nah bruh, no troll here...just asking a real question straight up..
        RR fought a dude he called his hardest fight and dude had like a billion loses... smh

        That's like people saying ****ing Van damn was a ****ing beast as a martial artist SOOO every kid thinks dude is for real but dude ain't win booting real get the **** OUTTA here
        Floyd once said that his toughest fight was against Emanuel Augustus.

        won 38 (KO 20) + lost 34 (KO 5) + drawn 6 = 78

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          #24
          Originally posted by Joe Beamish
          Yeah, no one's answered the core question: Who were the best fighters that SRR defeated? And do they match up to the best fighters Leonard defeated?
          In for responses to this.

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          • {Pito}
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            #25
            There will never be a TBE. Unless boxing is wiped off the face of the earth and then all the fighters ever are measured against each other. TBE is such a ****** phrase. Perhaps it should be TBUTN (the best up to now)

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            • Joe Beamish
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              #26
              Originally posted by Wizardsh
              How about you get off your fat lazy azz and do research so you can feel ******
              Actually I'm very familiar with Robinson's resume. And I don't think his best victories are close to Leonard's. Which makes me question whether Robinson really was the best ever.

              Armstrong was way past his prime. Most those other guys were old school brawlers. I think SRR's best wins were against Kid Gavilan.

              LaMotta was horribly overrated. Basilio was very tough, but he lost 16 fights out of 79 and wasn't in the same class as:

              Hearns
              Duran
              Benitez
              Hagler

              Sorry I have to spell it out for ya

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                #27
                I remember the very first SRR fight I ever saw and just from that one fight I knew he was TBE. The more shocking thing was he ended up losing fight against the huge Carmen Bassillio.

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                  #28
                  Originally posted by AliBombaye
                  In for responses to this.
                  Originally posted by Joe Beamish
                  Actually I'm very familiar with Robinson's resume. And I don't think his best victories are close to Leonard's. Which makes me question whether Robinson really was the best ever.

                  Armstrong was way past his prime. Most those other guys were old school brawlers. I think SRR's best wins were against Kid Gavilan.

                  LaMotta was horribly overrated. Basilio was very tough, but he lost 16 fights out of 79 and wasn't in the same class as:

                  Hearns
                  Duran
                  Benitez
                  Hagler

                  Sorry I have to spell it out for ya
                  Originally posted by MrTambourineMan
                  Zivic x2
                  Angott x3
                  Armstrong
                  LaMotta x4
                  Kid Gavilan x2
                  Turpin
                  Graziano
                  Maxim
                  Fullmer
                  Basillio
                  Olson x4
                  ...............................

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                  • Joe Beamish
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                    #29
                    Yeah, again that's just a list.

                    Who are the top 4 fighters SRR defeated? Were they in their prime? (We know Armstrong wasn't.)

                    How do they compare to Leonard's best victories?

                    I don't believe they match up. At all.

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                    • Mooshashi
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                      #30
                      SRR ducked black boxers almost his entire career. It's been said that
                      promoters didn't want two black boxers fighting for a belt, but SRR was notorious
                      for getting his way with promoters; he could have fought any one he wanter to.

                      Never fought guys like Charlie Burley and Archie Moore when AM was was a MW.

                      Still, one of the best ever. TBE is a silly phrase, IMO.

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