Is Ray Robinson really "TBE"? How u know if none of you were alive back then..

[KillaMane26]

Most top fighters/trainers including Ali gave SRR the tittle of being TBE.....

[Joe Beamish]

SRR ducked black boxers almost his entire career. It's been said that
promoters didn't want two black boxers fighting for a belt, but SRR was notorious
for getting his way with promoters; he could have fought any one he wanter to.

Never fought guys like Charlie Burley and Archie Moore when AM was was a MW.

Still, one of the best ever. TBE is a silly phrase, IMO.

I tend to agree with this. And I also agree that "TBE" is crap.

[mrlopez]

- IF WE ACTUALLY NEVER SEEN THE FIGHTER FIGHT THEN, HE AINT TBE TO ME --- My great grandfather told me he was good should I believe tall tales and *****
I can watch every fight MIKE Tyson had and at age 19 he destroyed almost every top heavy weight and since I can rewatch it and watch IMMA say he's ****ing great --- I can only see a hand full off Robinson ---- he's great to my great grandfather but not to me..sorry.

U guys can't name 5 greats he's fought and 5 of those U won't be able to me their legacy traits --- why cause u don't know robinsons greatness except what old timers say..
The only greats U should be talking about is people U can actually say U seen but if u ain't seen it UR going off another dudes word of mouth play --- make your own mind up instead of what old histtorians say

Yeah, no one's answered the core question: Who were the best fighters that SRR defeated? And do they match up to the best fighters Leonard defeated?

In for responses to this.

His Best wins you lazy fuc.kboys!!!!!!!!!

07/41: Sammy Angott (#1 LW) @ 135
10/41: Fritzie Zivic (#3 WW)
01/42: Fritzie Zivic (#3 WW)
03/42: Norman Rubio (#10 WW)
07/42: Sammy Angott (LW Champ) @ 147
08/42: Tony Mutisi (#9 WW)
10/42: Jake LaMotta (#6 MW)
10/42: Izzy Jannazzo (#8 WW)
12/42: Izzy Jannazzo (#8 WW)
02/43: Jake LaMotta (#2 MW)
02/43: Jackie Wilson (#3 WW)
02/43: Jake LaMotta (#2 MW)
08/43: Henry Armstrong (#1 WW 1944)
10/44: Izzy Jannazaro (#8 WW)
09/45: Jake LaMotta (#2 MW)
03/46: Sammy Angott (#8 WW)
12/46: Tommy Bell (World WW Championship)
05/47: Georgie Abrams (#5 MW)
06/47: Jimmy Doyle (#7 WW)
06/48: Bernard Docusen (#3 WW)
09/48: Kid Gavilan (#1 WW) @ 150+
07/49: Kid Gavilan (#1 WW)
08/49: Steve Belloise (#2 MW)
04/50: Ray Barnes (#7 MW)
06/50: Robert Villemain (#3 MW)
08/50: Charley Fusari (#3 WW)
02/51: Jake LaMotta (World MW Champion)
07/51: Randy Turpin (#1 MW)
09/51: Randy Turpin (World MW Champion)
03/52: Carl Olson (#2 MW)
04/52: Rocky Graziano (#10 MW)
06/52: Joey Maxim (World LHW Champion)
07/55: Ralph Castellani (#2 MW)
12/55: Carl Olson (World MW Champion)
05/56: Carl Olson (#1 MW)
01/57: Gene Fullmer (#1 MW)
05/57: Gene Fullmer (World MW Champion)
09/57: Carmen Basilio
03/58: Carmen Basilio (World MW Champion)

[kiDynamite92]

Actually I'm very familiar with Robinson's resume. And I don't think his best victories are close to Leonard's. Which makes me question whether Robinson really was the best ever.

Armstrong was way past his prime. Most those other guys were old school brawlers. I think SRR's best wins were against Kid Gavilan.

LaMotta was horribly overrated. Basilio was very tough, but he lost 16 fights out of 79 and wasn't in the same class as:

Hearns
Duran
Benitez
Hagler

Sorry I have to spell it out for ya

Duran was a lightweight who was out of his prime in the second fight.

Hagler was robbed. But anyway Robinson beat LaMotta and Basillio who are equal to Hagler.

Hearns was a good victory but Robinson beat Kid Gavilán twice which is a better victory.

Beneitez? Robinson has a ton of victories better then him.

[mrlopez]

Most top fighters/trainers including Ali gave SRR the tittle of being TBE.....

This right here. Those that mattered. Not some keyboard punkrocks

[-MEGA-]

Wait a minute. I think TS has a point here. I mean if we weren't there then how do we know what happened. This completely changes everything. Who really won WW 1 & 2? We're the Persians, conquistadors and Mongolian empire over hyped? Damn...

[gingerbreadman]

I was never around to meet Isaac Newton, but I don't dispute the discovery of gravity; it's received wisdom from sources I trust and whatever empirical conclusions I can come to myself. Same for SRR.

[Furn]

I never met Adolf Hitler but im pretty sure he was a right kunt.

[Joe Beamish]

Duran was a lightweight who was out of his prime in the second fight.

Hagler was robbed. But anyway Robinson beat LaMotta and Basillio who are equal to Hagler.

Hearns was a good victory but Robinson beat Kid Gavilán twice which is a better victory.

Beneitez? Robinson has a ton of victories better then him.

Hagler was robbed of a draw maybe. Hagler was completely unable to impose his will on him. And you've got LaMotta and Basilio equal to Hagler?? That's an eccentric point of view, highly unusual. Can't see it. They lost a million fights and had nothing like Hagler's skills. Not even close.

Gavilán was SRR's best victory (twice) in my view. Yep. Better than Hearns? Why? Maybe close.

What slick boxer like Benitez did SRR beat? Any names?

Duran was incredibly good even at WW and Leonard beat him fair and square the second time.

SRR: Gavilán, Basilio, LaMatta and an old Armstrong
SRL: Duran, Benitez, Hearns, Hagler

Leonard beat the better guys.

[Joe Beamish]

Most top fighters/trainers including Ali gave SRR the tittle of being TBE.....

Lots of respect for the elders, which is great.

But many people automatically give props to the old guys and downplay the accomplishments of today's fighters, without even thinking it over.

You see it happening all the time with Floyd, who deserves mention with Robinson and Leonard in my view, though he's probably a better 140 than 147.