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Originally posted by darius45 View PostIt's not gonna happen. If Algeiri could run around the ring all night and avoid serious exchanges, so can Floyd. But Floyd will be active enough to score point and steal rounds. I honestly don't think this fight will be as exciting as people want it to be, sadly. It's all on Manny to push the action. If Manny just boxes he gets the blame. If Floyd runs, well that's just Floyd being Floyd TBE.
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Originally posted by chitoFloyd & jmm are the same fighter
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Originally posted by D4thincarnation View PostThey throw at the same time. 16.42 and 16:43 Judah beat him to the punch.
You still think Judah was countering him early on and that was the basis of his success?
I bet you I can find more punches landed when Judah gets off first than when he counters. In the first 4 rounds.
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Originally posted by PAC-BOY View PostHe (Algieri) was put on his ass 6 times. Floyd has never been in that position mentally. How he deals with it while a killer finisher like Manny is on top of him relentlessly hitting him is just another feather in Mannys cap! I can care less about this blame shlt. Manny is gonna *** Floyd up.
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Originally posted by D4thincarnation View PostIs Floyd going to push Pacquiao on the back foot?
Pacquiao doesn't need to make adjustment because he starts fast and is normally well up come the mid way point, most his fight over recent years have been shut outs.
Pacquiao work rate is higher
You really think Floyd is going to wait and counter Pacquiao
The only way Floyd wins is by KO.
Also if you think PAC won't have to adapt you are wrong n that type of thinking will be PACs n Roach's downfall
Floyd gives different looks mid fight defensively n offensively
Peekaboo stance, shoulder roll, hands low inviting you in...counters or works behinds the jab or walking you don't behind a high guard n jab
Manny isn't that multi faceted or as well schooled....timing and defense beats speed, activity and power
Manny fights the same way each round with more or less punches...you'll see may 2 and
He better learn how to adapt
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Originally posted by PAC-BOY View PostHe (Algieri) was put on his ass 6 times. Floyd has never been in that position mentally. How he deals with it while a killer finisher like Manny is on top of him relentlessly hitting him is just another feather in Mannys cap! I can care less about this blame shlt. Manny is gonna *** Floyd up.
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I like both Pacquiao and Mayweather but will be rooting for Pacquiao because I'm Filipino. However if I would be putting money on the line I would be betting on Floyd. Most people here do not understand how good Mayweather is defensively. Pacquiao has a lot of stamina but what most people do not understand is how tiring it is if you keep missing your target. Floyd will not stand in front of manny and trade. Manny will miss a lot and eventually get tired and frustrated which I'm hoping will not happen but unfortunately might be the case.
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Originally posted by Rath View PostMost of what you have said here is correct.
What you forgot is that there is an intangible in this equation.
Floyd's boxing fundamentals is exceptional, if you notice how Floyd fights it is like Bruce Lee's "no thinking" principle an automatic reaction. As if Floyd knows what his opponent is going to do next even.
Every boxer if not all are trained the basics and they do this day in and day out in training and becomes part of them.
Part of the reason why Floyd is a very good counter puncher. Look at Floyd and Roger mitt practice, Floyd does not even look at where Rogers mitt was he knows where it will be at that moment and also knows when Roger will swing that left or right hook or that right straight.
That mitt practice is not just a mitt practice, it is what's going to happen in the ring. Back to where I say everybody are trained with boxing basics and fundamentals. When a boxer throws a jab followed by a straight you are in a certain kind of position to throw that because that's what the basics and fundamentals taught you to do
Now the problem, as you said Pac don't think in the ring and fight on instinct you are somehow right. Pac never had the luxury of professional trainer in his early boxing days. He does not have that basic boxing skills and fundamental which Floyd is used to, hence what everybody says awkward angles awkward style.
Floyd is not prepared for that. What Floyd is trained to do or react when a left jab is thrown depending on opponents stance and position is a right straight which the shoulder roll would just blocked and slipped again the basics right?
Pac don't do those basics. Floyd would be a bit confuse or kind of lost his rythm.
That is the intangible I am talking about, when Floyd starts to think first before he reacts. That split second hesitation would prove to be his undoing and would spell doom for him.
Every Pac opponents said Pac's so fast they did not saw where the punch was coming. Wrong and right, Pac is fast but to say they did not saw where the punch came from is wrong what they were actually saying is that they were expecting a right straight (basic and fundamentals) but they've got a left hook in stead.
But hey what do I know
Intangibles will decide the fight
To me may weather's ability to adapt and raise his game mid fight will decide it
His unorthodox punches will land but may weather has something in him that's not on paper
Will Manny adapt when the punches he landed in the first four rounds stop landing?
May weather got the edge...talent wise they are even...but money got that x factor the leonards, Ali's, and srr had...that special invisible gear...they up their game mid fight
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