Comments Thread For: De La Hoya Gives Take on The Al Haymon Takeover

[Scipio2009]

What kind of history do Goossen and Dibella have when they are the primary promoter?

Not when they're working with other promoters like Top Rank or Golden Boy, but are doing the entire promotion themselves?

And Dan Goossen isn't running things anymore...so their prior history isn't even really applicable to this discussion because they are a completely unproven promoter without Dan at the helm.

Matchroom and GYM are not proven promoters in the US, and they don't have near the experience that Top Rank and Golden Boy have.

Goossen and DiBella have been the prime promoters behind the bulk of the shows that end up on ESPN's Friday Night Fights; not to mention the success that DiBella has had with his Broadway Boxing series. Dismiss that if you want.

You add that Haymon already has the TV dates/TV relationships secured, while Matchroom and GYM enter into a new market with sterling reputations and I'm not sure what the "experience" hang up is about.

[Scipio2009]

this is false. any hbo featured fighter is going to be relevant. hbo is still the premier network for fights. haymons 5 primetime dates a year aren't enough to make hbo irrelevant. not at all.

HBO is available in 30m homes; NBC is available in over 100m homes. You're critique is quite short-sighted.

If the TV time buy works, a network is going to jump in with a massive content deal, a la UFC/Fox.

Whether it's NBC/NBCSN, ABC/ESPN, CBS/Showtime/CBS Sports, or even Fox/FS1, the next deal is likely going to be, if the project is successful, 12 primetime network TV dates and a weekly boxing series to back it (at a price tag near what the UFC was able to get for their content deal, ~$100m per year).

If you honestly believe that a fighter fighting in front of 30m homes will be anywhere near as relevant as a fighter in front of 100m homes, you're silly.

[mathed]

I'm eager to see this first card on NBC to see how it turns out. I'm also eager to see the ratings as well.

[Hougigo]

I'm eager to see this first card on NBC to see how it turns out. I'm also eager to see the ratings as well.

Well what would we consider good? I heard the target is what the Contender averaged.... about 6 million

[Scipio2009]

They will have opportunities to be on tv, but will they have ratings?

Friday Night Fights is a far more established brand, not to mention more widely available than some these channels the PBC is going to be on, yet FNF wasn't even doing the numbers that Boxeo Telemundo was doing last year, and at one point they were only a little bit above Solo Boxeo.

The Golden Boy fight cards on FS1 don't really come close to any of them in terms of ratings...but they're also increasing their television presence with this LA Fight Club series (which DLH says he wants to eventually expand to twice a month).

There's already a lot of options for boxing fans outside of premium cable like HBO/SHO, and it certainly seems possible that some of these shows could fall through the ratings cracks.

That's the $100m question.

FNF is definitely a far more established brand; they just never showcased the name fighters to drive ratings (Klitschko-Leapai, a so-so fight, was still able to triple the audience for FNF, for the simple fact that Klitschko was a name fighter.

ESPN, Sp1keTV, and BET are all available in around the same number of homes (~90m homes), with NBCSN and CBS Sports available in about the same number of homes that FS1 (~75m homes).

The gamble is that, propelled by having name fighter on primetime NBC, and name fights on the other outlets, the casual sports fans will seize the opportunity of seeing meaningful fights on regular TV, driving up the viewership numbers.

whether it works is to be determined.

[mathed]

Well what would we consider good? I heard the target is what the Contender averaged.... about 6 million

See, I don't know anything about how the network TV stations do stuff. If 6 million is a decent number, I have to imagine that is really low compared to other sporting events but if that is a good benchmark, I hope they reach that. If they don't make the numbers on a consistent basis, I wonder what that means for the boxers if this Hymen thing goes belly up? Can they go box for other promoters or are they still going to be locked in to those contracts?

[elgranluchadore]

Well what would we consider good? I heard the target is what the Contender averaged.... about 6 million

6 million is way too much, ufc only does around 3-4 milion.
boxing on nbc last year did 2 million and peaked at 4.

i say it averages 3 millions and peaks at 5 or 6, does haymon got any stars really? im guessing cards with boner and garcia will do better ratings?
also are haymon cards exciting in terms of ring action? i never watch showtime so i can't tell.
it will be interesting to see what haymon's end game is, is he looking to make a big splash on the ratings and get a good licensing fees next year? or is he gonna follow the ufc/wwe model and try to make money on ppv?

[Vasyl’s dad]

HBO is available in 30m homes; NBC is available in over 100m homes. You're critique is quite short-sighted.

If the TV time buy works, a network is going to jump in with a massive content deal, a la UFC/Fox.

Whether it's NBC/NBCSN, ABC/ESPN, CBS/Showtime/CBS Sports, or even Fox/FS1, the next deal is likely going to be, if the project is successful, 12 primetime network TV dates and a weekly boxing series to back it (at a price tag near what the UFC was able to get for their content deal, ~$100m per year).

If you honestly believe that a fighter fighting in front of 30m homes will be anywhere near as relevant as a fighter in front of 100m homes, you're silly.

So when boxing was on NBC in the late 80s and early 90s, Troy Dorsey and Jorge "Maromero" Paez were more relevant than Mike Tyson, Julio Cesar Chavez and Pernell Whitaker?

[Scipio2009]

So when boxing was on NBC in the late 80s and early 90s, Troy Dorsey and Jorge "Maromero" Paez were more relevant than Mike Tyson, Julio Cesar Chavez and Pernell Whitaker?

guess I missed the time when boxing was still the bread-and-butter of network TV in the early 90's .... oh wait, that didn't happen.

[Mitchell Kane]

Goossen and DiBella have been the prime promoters behind the bulk of the shows that end up on ESPN's Friday Night Fights; not to mention the success that DiBella has had with his Broadway Boxing series. Dismiss that if you want.

You add that Haymon already has the TV dates/TV relationships secured, while Matchroom and GYM enter into a new market with sterling reputations and I'm not sure what the "experience" hang up is about.

I'm not dismissing it, but I also wouldn't put Broadway Boxing or Friday Night Fights near the level that Top Rank is operating at.