Who is the greatest fighter since Muhammed Ali?

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  • Pac=Duran
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    #251
    Originally posted by fabie
    Except that I lost respects towards him when he had Marvin Hagler on hold for 7 years and eerily similar to Mayweather ducking Pacquiao for 5-6 years for the very same reasons of being "Scared" and "waiting for him to slow down"...
    100% agree with that. Ray Leonard tried to get every possible advantage and pretty much got every demand he wanted since he beat Hearns. He barely beat a moderately faded Hagler. I think Hagler has a great case to be the best of the Fab 4.

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    • Ahmed_Ismail
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      #252
      People tend to take a lot of credit away from Mayweather because of the Pacquiao situation and the possible fights that didn't happen at the right time throughout his career.
      But people also forget the there were 2 sides in the negotiation process between both fighters and both are to be blamed for the fight not happening many years ago, you can't compare this to the Leonard Hagler situation cuz Leonard refused to even come to the table and negotiate anything, he straight up said I'm not fighting Hagler and he admittedly said that he fought Hagler after the Mugabi fight cuz he felt that Hagler has slowed and the brutal war with Mugabi took a lot out of him.
      Same with Leonard and Aaron Pryor, Pryor called Leonard out a lot and Leonard also refused to even negotiate with Pryor.
      Since 2006 till now almost all the fighters that Floyd faced were champions when he faced them, and even though a lot of match ups would've been great but still he fought good opposition and looked good against all his opponents, Judah was a champion, Baldomir was a champion, Dela Hoya was a champion, Hatton was a champion, Mosley was a champion, Ortiz was a champion, Cotto was a champion, Guerrero was a champion, Canelo was a champion and Maidana was a champion.
      Fights against Cotto, Margarito and Mosley should've happened in 2006-2009, but unfortunately they didn't happen, check out Mosley's interview after the 2nd fight with Vargas, he was asked about Floyd and why he doesn't want to fight him and he said I wanna have a vacation with my family.
      Cotto was Promoted by Arum and by his own admission after the Gatti fight he thought Cotto wasn't ready for Mayweather. Margarito would've been awesome but Uncle Bob was too greedy and he wanted the bigger piece of the pie and that's why Floyd bought out his contract and left him, Arum offered Floyd like 7 mil for a Margarito fight and Floyd wanted more cuz it would've been a huge ppv fight, Floyd fought both Mosley and Cotto and made 10 times the money he would've made had he fought them when he was with Arum.
      Last edited by Ahmed_Ismail; 03-30-2015, 01:23 AM.

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      • SergioMartinez
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        #253
        Ray Leonard

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        • Erickjhonson
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          #254
          I think there should be the name of Tyson Fury.

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          • $£X
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            #255
            Lennox Lewis, there can be no doubt.

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            • meanzan
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              #256
              Originally posted by Cut Man
              Pacquiao top 5? "Get the fck outta here"

              He got beat by Bradley and got his ass laid out by Marquez...

              duran, who I put at the top spot with leonard, had 2-digit losses and was destroyed by hearns, so what's your point?

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              • KidDinamita
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                #257
                Originally posted by BoxingIsGreat
                Is this a joke? The guy gave him the greatest compliment ever. Top 5? I am not sure he cracks top 50. The guy (Pac) is so hyped. Losing 3 times to Marquez (I gave him the first fight) and Morales (and beating Barrera) don't make you ****all.

                Plus being Koed by non-descript fighters early on and losing to Bradley don't help much. I didn't think he lost to Bradley. I actually thought he won 10-2 rounds when I watched it live. But that's what the record shows.
                Looks like you hate Pacquiao a lot, the title says greatest fighter since Muhammad Ali, Muhammad Ali was beaten by Spinks, look at Spinks pathetic record, he was beaten by Berbick, that he himself is not a great one also, stopped by Holmes and beaten by Frazier (IMO 2 times). He is still the greatest, but to say that Pacquiao is not a top 50 fighter because he was beaten by Marquez (HoF) and Morales (HoF) is a bit silly.

                He won titles in 8 divisions something no one accomplished.

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                • BattlingNelson
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                  #258
                  Originally posted by fabie
                  Except that I lost respects towards him when he had Marvin Hagler on hold for 7 years and eerily similar to Mayweather ducking Pacquiao for 5-6 years for the very same reasons of being "Scared" and "waiting for him to slow down"...
                  Two points.

                  1: Leonard was injured hence his first retirement.
                  2: Hagler was 2 weightdivisions above Leonard.

                  In other Words the situations are not alike at all.

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                  • KnockoutNed
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                    #259
                    At HW Larry Holmes or Lennox Lewis, then maybe Holyfield,Tyson.
                    lol at all the Ktards picking Wlad. He isn't even the best HW in his family.
                    Last edited by KnockoutNed; 03-30-2015, 06:16 AM.

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                    • junior gong
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                      #260
                      Its Ray Leonard for me.

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