Wilder vs the Valuev that fought Haye?

[VatoMulatto]

Id have to favor haye as well. so much speed and good upper body movement. he also throws his punches from odd angles. he's much less predictable than wilder and I think he may even punch a bit harder than wilder as well. wlad is a more seasoned accurate puncher than wilder and even he couldnt land the big flush shot on haye so I doubt very much wilder would.doubt very much stiverne would have still been standing if haye landed as many hayemakers as wilder did right hands on him. thats not to say wilder doesnt hit hard either becuz he does obviously have good pop but not quite as hard as wlad or even haye imo

Wilder is a lot more explosive and aggressive minded than Wlad. Wlad never really tried to go for the KO against Haye because he was in control and is a safety first type of fighter. Even though Haye is clearly the more skilled fighter Haye would struggle a lot with Wilder's offense.

[Pigeons]

Wilder beats every ex-Soviet champ sans Wladimir, Vitali, and maybe Povetkin.

He wipes out Maskaev, Chagaev, Valuev, Liakhovich, and Ibragimov.

[Elroy1]

Wilder might be able to outbox Valuev although I wouldn't be that surprised if the giant could beat Wilder either.

Wilder is 1/5th the fighter Haye is though, that's ridiculous! Haye would totally clown and waste Wilder beyond any doubt.

[Elroy1]

Wilder beats every ex-Soviet champ sans Wladimir, Vitali, and maybe Povetkin.

He wipes out Maskaev, Chagaev, Valuev, Liakhovich, and Ibragimov.

Very believable.

A guy who has barely been tested and proven somewhat dodgey, beats the tremendous upper eschelons of boxing except the absolute pinnacle.


USA USA USA

[Pigeons]

Very believable.

A guy who has barely been tested and proven somewhat dodgey, beats the tremendous upper eschelons of boxing except the absolute pinnacle.


USA USA USA

Hey Elroy!

[PainfromUkraine]

Wilder beats every ex-Soviet champ sans Wladimir, Vitali, and maybe Povetkin.

He wipes out Maskaev, Chagaev, Valuev, Liakhovich, and Ibragimov.

In all seriousness, Maskaev - yes, the guy had a glass chin. Liakhovich, he did anyway but he was shot by then. In his prime probably still. Valuev, as I said in my post here, he wins but probably not by KO. However, we get to the better fighters now. Ibragimov...hard to say, the guy was a bit of an enigma, but he had some skills, plus that southpaw element. Toss-up fight, but Wilder could win. Chagaev...prime Chagaev I'm not sure...he was a decent fighter and was fairly durable with skills and has that southpaw potential advantage. Although he is small so that would be to his detriment. Again, toss up fight.

From what he have seen of Wilder so far - Povetkin beats him, Wlad probably destroys him, Vitali would have schooled him.

[Jc8804]

Wilder...most likely anyway. Valuev was slow as molasses and didn't have much power for a man of that size. Basically just a lumbering giant with a steel head. Not sure Wilder KOs him but easy decision win similar to the Stiverne fight. Only way Wilder loses really is if he completely gasses or breaks his hands from punching that steelhead all night long. But even 50 year old Holyfield beat him ffs.

Wilder gets beat by valuev..reach height style.
wilder is no haye.. wilder would have to be a slick Pure boxer
or valuev wears him out.. i got valuev ud ..wilder not in his class

[PainfromUkraine]

Wilder gets beat by valuev..reach height style.
wilder is no haye.. wilder would have to be a slick Pure boxer
or valuev wears him out.. i got valuev ud ..wilder not in his class

Hard to imagine the fight as Valuev never fought a man of remotely near his size that remotely had any skills, as far as I know. A fight against Vitali apparently almost happened but fell through - now that would have been funny and given us a clearer indication. To be fair Valuev is **** though...you just have to outwork him to win and basically not get hit, which is fairly easy if you stay out of the way of his slow jabs and wild shots. If Wilder improves his game he can just work on the outside peppering 1-2s onto Valuev's skull and either break him down or win a decision.

The fact that Haye could almost KO Valuev punching up and late in the fight just shows that a proper heavyweight with power like Wilder could do the same. Now, i'm not discounting Wilder doing something ****** and getting hit with something big himself, but with a smart gameplan if you are a young fighter that can move and has speed, you pretty much have the beating of the Giant freak. Valuev would be the picture under a definition for 'big stiff idiot'.

[Jc8804]

Wilder is a lot more explosive and aggressive minded than Wlad. Wlad never really tried to go for the KO against Haye because he was in control and is a safety first type of fighter. Even though Haye is clearly the more skilled fighter Haye would struggle a lot with Wilder's offense.

Yet wilder got knocked out in sparring after 2 minutes into their
2nd rd ...
wilder is raw unskillful and relies on one power rt hand
and has no real defense...
imagine wilder fight holyfield or bowe..

damnnnnnn you got knocked the FFFFFFFFFck out!!!!!!!!

[VatoMulatto]

Yet wilder got knocked out in sparring after 2 minutes into their
2nd rd ...
wilder is raw unskillful and relies on one power rt hand
and has no real defense...
imagine wilder fight holyfield or bowe..

damnnnnnn you got knocked the FFFFFFFFFck out!!!!!!!!

He didn't get knocked out. He was rocked but sparring is sparring and a fight is different. I'd pick Haye to win but I still think Wilder would be a very live underdog against Haye. Somebody like Holyfield would eat Wilder alive tho.