Matthysse-Provodnikov being finalized for March 28th

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    #101
    I slightly favor Matthysse but if they both land some bombs early in the fight and it turns into a slow bloody war of attrition Provo could stop him.

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    • Weebler I
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      #102
      Originally posted by 80sFighter
      I slightly favor Matthysse but if they both land some bombs early in the fight and it turns into a slow bloody war of attrition Provo could stop him.
      Yeah, I see it as a 60-40 fight. If Matthysse doesn't box smart he could get hurt and go down.

      Not sure it gets made though tbh.

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      • Daddy T
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        #103
        woah this fight would be awesome ... I think provo wears him down

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          #104
          Originally posted by Doctor_Tenma
          Matthysse wins this but I'm hoping he comes out of it in good health as I'd like to see him in the WW picture in the future.
          What's there for him other than a Mayweather fight that will never happen now.

          Pacquiao will meet him at 144.

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          • -Kev-
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            #105
            Originally posted by Weebler I
            As you point out, Provodnikov fought since then too and he struggled with Chris Algieri. He didn't even put Castillo away that early.

            People are allowed to change their perspective based on recent evidence, I don't see the issue there.
            Yes, people are allowed to be ******, and they sure are.

            There is an issue with Matthysse being able to KO (not just beat, KO) Mayweather and Pacquiao after his Peterson fight, then get KO'ed by Provodnikov after his Garcia fight (and no longer stand a chance against Mayweather and Pacquiao), because Provodnikov almost beat Bradley. Now Matthysse can beat Provodnikov again.

            Styles make fights. How can one performance change a fighters style? If you think Provodnikov KO's Matthysse and vice versa, then stick to your guns. You thought he KO's him because of styles or one performance? I think Paul Williams would've defeated someone like Miguel Cotto, before and after his KO loss to Martinez and his win(robbery) vs Lara. No fighter beating Williams is going to change my opinion that his style/reach/height would've lead him to defeat Cotto. Just an example.

            But here, a performance seems to change a fighters attributes/advantages/style altogether and his chances vs a guy who he was touted as being able to demolish dramatically changes. I thought Matthysse beat Provodnikov before and after their win/loss to Garcia/Bradley. Molina KD'ing Matthysse still doesn't change that either, because, Provonikov is not tall ass, long reach Molina. Prov is better than Molina, but he doesn't have his physical advantages/attributes as a fighter to put down Matthysse like that with his ling reach too. Provodnikov destroying Castillo in 1 round or 6 or UD'ing him, or barely beating him in an SD doesn't change a thing either.

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              #106
              GBP should have the networks bid on this match-up, if he hasn't chosen already.

              Originally posted by -Makunouchi-
              Let steve smoger ref this match to be totally bloodbath! War war!
              Or the ref from Lemieux/Rosado.

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              • Foreign Soil
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                #107
                Matthysse gets smashed with an overhand right and it's goodnight. People saying Matthysse easily outboxes Provo are forgetting one thing... nobody easily outboxes Ruslan, they take serious damage doing so. Matthysse, while the better boxer, isn't so good that he can get through this fight without suffering damage of his own. He'll have his moments for sure, but ultimately he's getting bombed out. Nothing but credit to both for taking this fight if it is indeed being made so quickly. At least there's still a few men left in this sport.

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                  #108
                  Originally posted by -Kev-
                  Yes, people are allowed to be ******, and they sure are.

                  There is an issue with Matthysse being able to KO (not just beat, KO) Mayweather and Pacquiao after his Peterson fight, then get KO'ed by Provodnikov after his Garcia fight (and no longer stand a chance against Mayweather and Pacquiao), because Provodnikov almost beat Bradley. Now Matthysse can beat Provodnikov again.

                  Styles make fights. How can one performance change a fighters style? If you think Provodnikov KO's Matthysse and vice versa, then stick to your guns. You thought he KO's him because of styles or one performance? I think Paul Williams would've defeated someone like Miguel Cotto, before and after his KO loss to Martinez and his win(robbery) vs Lara. No fighter beating Williams is going to change my opinion that his style/reach/height would've lead him to defeat Cotto. Just an example.

                  But here, a performance seems to change a fighters attributes/advantages/style altogether and his chances vs a guy who he was touted as being able to demolish dramatically changes. I thought Matthysse beat Provodnikov before and after their win/loss to Garcia/Bradley. Molina KD'ing Matthysse still doesn't change that either, because, Provonikov is not tall ass, long reach Molina. Prov is better than Molina, but he doesn't have his physical advantages/attributes as a fighter to put down Matthysse like that with his ling reach too. Provodnikov destroying Castillo in 1 round or 6 or UD'ing him, or barely beating him in an SD doesn't change a thing either.
                  Boxing is not a week-to-week sport, a lot of time passes and we only get to see these guys twice a year. In that time fighters get older, they sustain injuries so it matters how they look in recent fights. A loss can change a fighter.

                  There's nothing wrong with basing opinions on recent performance. If a fighter takes a loss fans can lose faith, if they string a couple of good wins that faith can be restored. C'est la vie.

                  It might be considered reactionary but bottom line is nobody has the answers in this sport, not the so called experts and not the bandwagoners for if they did they'd be very wealthy putting money on it.
                  Last edited by Weebler I; 01-24-2015, 10:19 AM.

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                    #109
                    Originally posted by -Kev-
                    Yes, people are allowed to be ******, and they sure are.

                    There is an issue with Matthysse being able to KO (not just beat, KO) Mayweather and Pacquiao after his Peterson fight, then get KO'ed by Provodnikov after his Garcia fight (and no longer stand a chance against Mayweather and Pacquiao), because Provodnikov almost beat Bradley. Now Matthysse can beat Provodnikov again.

                    Styles make fights. How can one performance change a fighters style? If you think Provodnikov KO's Matthysse and vice versa, then stick to your guns. You thought he KO's him because of styles or one performance? I think Paul Williams would've defeated someone like Miguel Cotto, before and after his KO loss to Martinez and his win(robbery) vs Lara. No fighter beating Williams is going to change my opinion that his style/reach/height would've lead him to defeat Cotto. Just an example.

                    But here, a performance seems to change a fighters attributes/advantages/style altogether and his chances vs a guy who he was touted as being able to demolish dramatically changes. I thought Matthysse beat Provodnikov before and after their win/loss to Garcia/Bradley. Molina KD'ing Matthysse still doesn't change that either, because, Provonikov is not tall ass, long reach Molina. Prov is better than Molina, but he doesn't have his physical advantages/attributes as a fighter to put down Matthysse like that with his ling reach too. Provodnikov destroying Castillo in 1 round or 6 or UD'ing him, or barely beating him in an SD doesn't change a thing either.
                    Well I disagree with you.

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                    • tokon
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                      #110
                      Originally posted by -Kev-
                      Yes, people are allowed to be ******, and they sure are.

                      There is an issue with Matthysse being able to KO (not just beat, KO) Mayweather and Pacquiao after his Peterson fight, then get KO'ed by Provodnikov after his Garcia fight (and no longer stand a chance against Mayweather and Pacquiao), because Provodnikov almost beat Bradley. Now Matthysse can beat Provodnikov again.

                      Styles make fights. How can one performance change a fighters style? If you think Provodnikov KO's Matthysse and vice versa, then stick to your guns. You thought he KO's him because of styles or one performance? I think Paul Williams would've defeated someone like Miguel Cotto, before and after his KO loss to Martinez and his win(robbery) vs Lara. No fighter beating Williams is going to change my opinion that his style/reach/height would've lead him to defeat Cotto. Just an example.

                      But here, a performance seems to change a fighters attributes/advantages/style altogether and his chances vs a guy who he was touted as being able to demolish dramatically changes. I thought Matthysse beat Provodnikov before and after their win/loss to Garcia/Bradley. Molina KD'ing Matthysse still doesn't change that either, because, Provonikov is not tall ass, long reach Molina. Prov is better than Molina, but he doesn't have his physical advantages/attributes as a fighter to put down Matthysse like that with his ling reach too. Provodnikov destroying Castillo in 1 round or 6 or UD'ing him, or barely beating him in an SD doesn't change a thing either.
                      good relevant points.

                      however, one performance CAN change perspectives if it has been that one fight that "ruins" the guy. his "style" might not change but he might just not be as effective, or to apply it, as previously.

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