Comments Thread For: Duva Responds To Pascal's PED Testing Complaints

[Sancho Puncho]

So you are saying that there's more negatives than positives with PED testing. You then only name one single negative which is that PED testing ruined careers of many athletes due to errors in testing. So that's the argument which I must say is rather weak, but let's have a list of some of those 'many athletes' please.

Ruining a career and dignity is a weak argument? I don`t think so.
As for the list of many athletes, I don`t compile such lists. What do you want to argue about?
In boxing, the first one that comes to mind from recent cases is Sam Soliman. He was accused of using PED and disqualified, even though his second sample checked at the independent laboratory turned out negative.
Nobody even knows what constitutes a doping ffs. You can take any ordinary man from the street, test his blood and most likely there will be something that is classified as doping by some organizations. It comes from ordinary OTC drugs, balms, food or drinks. Even if you are a pro athlete and consult with the doctor about everything you eat or drink, you can still be caught for PEDs, because, as I said already, nobody knows for sure what exactly PED is.
Even anti-doping agencies themselves do not understand what are they doing and what constitutes a PED, as was the case with Estonian Olympic champion Andrus Veerpalu.

[Clegg]

Still a big fan of Kovalev, but Duva seemed to have a lot of goodwill from the boxing community/fans when being ducked by Stevenson and IMO that should all be pretty much gone now following this absolute bullshit. Not doing testing because it not the promoter's job blah blah blah.

I don't think Kov is on anything, and yes this is the same thing Pascal did with Hopkins, bringing up the issue after everything is agreed upon, but Duva is talking like a lawyer with a guilty client. Just another promoter who is ok with the sport being full of drug cheats as long as business is going well.

[BattlingNelson]

Ruining a career and dignity is a weak argument? I don`t think so.
As for the list of many athletes, I don`t compile such lists. What do you want to argue about?
In boxing, the first one that comes to mind from recent cases is Sam Soliman. He was accused of using PED and disqualified, even though his second sample checked at the independent laboratory turned out negative.
Nobody even knows what constitutes a doping ffs. You can take any ordinary man from the street, test his blood and most likely there will be something that is classified as doping by some organizations. It comes from ordinary OTC drugs, balms, food or drinks. Even if you are a pro athlete and consult with the doctor about everything you eat or drink, you can still be caught for PEDs, because, as I said already, nobody knows for sure what exactly PED is.
Even anti-doping agencies themselves do not understand what are they doing and what constitutes a PED, as was the case with Estonian Olympic champion Andrus Veerpalu.

So you can only come up with Soliman? And how was his career ruined?

And your rant about drugs is silly. You haven't got the slighest idea of what you are talking about.

[Real Talk85]

After he offered to pay it should have been all systems go, point blank.

They clearly have something to hide.

[Sancho Puncho]

So you can only come up with Soliman? And how was his career ruined?

And your rant about drugs is silly. You haven't got the slighest idea of what you are talking about.

What are your credentials then? Do you know what are you arguing about?

[IMDAZED]

Still a big fan of Kovalev, but Duva seemed to have a lot of goodwill from the boxing community/fans when being ducked by Stevenson and IMO that should all be pretty much gone now following this absolute bullshit. Not doing testing because it not the promoter's job blah blah blah.

I don't think Kov is on anything, and yes this is the same thing Pascal did with Hopkins, bringing up the issue after everything is agreed upon, but Duva is talking like a lawyer with a guilty client. Just another promoter who is ok with the sport being full of drug cheats as long as business is going well.

Is that what happened though? I don't get the sense he brought it up last minute. More like it dragged on and he signed the contract without it in there.

[sicko]

Have no problem with wanting better testing because with these fighters today...YOU JUST NEVER KNOW! But that is kinda ****** to sign a contract without checking that out first!

Also fans can have these separate rules for fighters, they guys you like when they refuse testing "OH IT IS JUST A COINCIDENCE" but when others do it "OH THEY MUST BE HIDING SOMETHING"

[Heavyfist]

Have no problem with wanting better testing because with these fighters today...YOU JUST NEVER KNOW! But that is kinda ****** to sign a contract without checking that out first!

Also fans can have these separate rules for fighters, they guys you like when they refuse testing "OH IT IS JUST A COINCIDENCE" but when others do it "OH THEY MUST BE HIDING SOMETHING"

The problem is, there are so many dirty fighters in the sport, that none of them care about cleaning up the sport as it would only harm them.

If a boxer is truly committed to being clean, and fighting clean fighters, they would sign up to year round random VADA testing program that Donaire and Khan are enrolled in. This is the best way to know if someone is clean, but other than two fighters, everyone ignored it, because they are all dirty.

Old men, Martinez, Froch, or roided out vascular peded bodies like Brook, they're all over in boxing. Boxing is 90% stamina. It is one of the most cardiovascularly intense sport there is.

This is why boxers before PEDs took over, didn't look like professional weight lifters. Boxing training burns a ton of muscle mass off. Regardless, there is certain vascular definition, that is only achieved with Peds. If you are familiar with body builders its extremely easy to spot, when its there.

I genuinely believe the vast majority of boxers take any and all PEDs they think they can get way with.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

The problem is, there are so many dirty fighters in the sport, that none of them care about cleaning up the sport as it would only harm them.

If a boxer is truly committed to being clean, and fighting clean fighters, they would sign up to year round random VADA testing program that Donaire and Khan are enrolled in. This is the best way to know if someone is clean, but other than two fighters, everyone ignored it, because they are all dirty.

Old men, Martinez, Froch, or roided out vascular peded bodies like Brook, they're all over in boxing. Boxing is 90% stamina. It is one of the most cardiovascularly intense sport there is.

This is why boxers before PEDs took over, didn't look like professional weight lifters. Boxing training burns a ton of muscle mass off. Regardless, there is certain vascular definition, that is only achieved with Peds. If you are familiar with body builders its extremely easy to spot, when its there.

I genuinely believe the vast majority of boxers take any and all PEDs they think they can get way with.

Khan is not enrolled in a year round VADA testing programme

He's a member of the British Boxing Board of Control who implement random year round tests. Same as Froch and Brook, dummy.

[BattlingNelson]

What are your credentials then? Do you know what are you arguing about?

Well I know my Stuff, but I can always get wiser. You mentioning Soliman just goes to show that you haven't got a clue.