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Originally posted by Beater_of_ass View PostCotto is from PR not NY so he shouldn't have a fan base there. Canelo is Mexican not from Las Vegas, he shouldn't have fans there. Floyd is from Michigan not Las Vegas, he shouldn't have fans there... That's just a dumbass comment. If you actually lived in Vegas you would know there is a big Filipino population here, especially from Hawaii. The voting signs are in english, spanish and tagalog that should tell you all you need to know about who has the hometown advantage. You were better off not talking about that subject at all.
Torres was undefeated and Cotto fought him on 4 week notice or something like that as the other guy was injured. He was also like 28-0 with 26 knockouts, you'd think it was Paulie who dropped Cotto. Really there isn't even a need to get into this anymore, you can say what you want after the fight we won't see you on here for a few weeks then you'll have some excuse for Cotto winning like Canelo wasn't ever that good or his ankle was still dislocated from his body. It was tied together at his calf with his unbreakable red hair.
So what if he was undefeated, undefeated doesn't mean he's elite. Torres was a C class hard puncher, that's it. There is no point in even telling you facts/opinions when someone like you has Cotto in their top 5 P4P list.
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Originally posted by Mr.Fantastic View PostThe biggest fights most of the time happen in Las Vegas, whether you're Mexican or Pinoy or whatever. From Hawaii doesn't mean he's Filipino. PRs never had a problem with Tito going to Vegas. Specially with the cheers of "Tito" in Las Fucking Vegas.
So what if he was undefeated, undefeated doesn't mean he's elite. Torres was a C class hard puncher, that's it. There is no point in even telling you facts/opinions when someone like you has Cotto in their top 5 P4P list.
Cotto was hurt against Torress and won. Against Corley and won... Canelo was never hurt against Floyd and didn't win a round. What is your excuse for that? That's what you do best. Make excuses each time a Mexican fighter loses, they lose quite a bit no wonder you're so good at it. I can't wait to see what your excuse is after they fight. Canelo had a bad ankle? He overtrained because he is starting now? Oscar died his hair too red?
It won't be any of those it'll be like I've been telling you. He's a B class fighter with the look and not the talent. Oscar has half the formula with Canelo, see, in boxing you need to have the look and the talent to make it. Manny has the talent and his look is how entertaining he is in the ring. Floyd has the persona to make you hate him but he actually has ATG talent in the ring. Cotto has talent and skill in that ring and he has a following because of his fights. Canelo... he has the look, is clean cut, respectful, well-mannered and everything a star needs, except the talent and the skill.
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Originally posted by Beater_of_ass View PostFrom Hawaii does mean Filipino... see, I'm done with you. You're no different than Shmurda or Dazed and talking out of your ass. I don't tell you how **** is in Houston or NY on a local level because I don't know. In Vegas and Hawaii especially there is a huge Filipino population because it's really not that far from the Philippine islands. Manny has a huge following here because of that, this is fact.
Cotto was hurt against Torress and won. Against Corley and won... Canelo was never hurt against Floyd and didn't win a round. What is your excuse for that? That's what you do best. Make excuses each time a Mexican fighter loses, they lose quite a bit no wonder you're so good at it. I can't wait to see what your excuse is after they fight. Canelo had a bad ankle? He overtrained because he is starting now? Oscar died his hair too red?
It won't be any of those it'll be like I've been telling you. He's a B class fighter with the look and not the talent. Oscar has half the formula with Canelo, see, in boxing you need to have the look and the talent to make it. Manny has the talent and his look is how entertaining he is in the ring. Floyd has the persona to make you hate him but he actually has ATG talent in the ring. Cotto has talent and skill in that ring and he has a following because of his fights. Canelo... he has the look, is clean cut, respectful, well-mannered and everything a star needs, except the talent and the skill.
Of course Cotto won, Cotto is on another league than Torres and Corley. Canelo lost, I have no excuses unlike the excuses Cotto stans still cry about to this day with some fights.
Every time a Mexican fighter loses? I don't just like Mexican fighters, I like fighters from all around the world. You would know that if you actually go outside Cotto/PR threads. Jason Velez is one of my favorites and he's PR. I like FIGHTERS, not *******. I don't even like Marquez hardly and he's Mexican.
Canelo having a bad ankle is a FACT as reported. Canelo has talent, just like Cotto does. Both are exciting fighters and are hardly in boring fights. Floyd isn't all that great because he never truly tests himself unlike other boxers. If Canelo didn't have the skill/talent he wouldn't of beaten Trout/Lara. Trout who outclassed Cotto in his fight. But your excuse would be styles makes fights huh?
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Originally posted by Mr.Fantastic View PostHawaii is Hawaiian. Some Asian countries don't like each other just like the Latino side. I've been to Vegas and know someone that lives there. Pac has a following even from Mexicans because he actually goes to fight in the ring.
Of course Cotto won, Cotto is on another league than Torres and Corley. Canelo lost, I have no excuses unlike the excuses Cotto stans still cry about to this day with some fights.
Every time a Mexican fighter loses? I don't just like Mexican fighters, I like fighters from all around the world. You would know that if you actually go outside Cotto/PR threads. Jason Velez is one of my favorites and he's PR. I like FIGHTERS, not *******. I don't even like Marquez hardly and he's Mexican.
Canelo having a bad ankle is a FACT as reported. Canelo has talent, just like Cotto does. Both are exciting fighters and are hardly in boring fights. Floyd isn't all that great because he never truly tests himself unlike other boxers. If Canelo didn't have the skill/talent he wouldn't of beaten Trout/Lara. Trout who outclassed Cotto in his fight. But your excuse would be styles makes fights huh?
And again you losers bring up the Lara fight. You also say Canelo would be better with a better trainer. Why can't the same be true for Cotto? I have no issues admitting he lost, it doesn't mean it's relevant to his whole career. He's a completely different fighter under Roach, the Trout fight was a bad night that happens in boxing. Go figure that Cotto's worst losses were under conditions of a cheater, no trainer and a guy who only trained amateurs.
That's not excuses those are reasons and it's why Cotto is better now. The Cotto that fought Trout isn't the same guy that he is now. I fine with you thinking that, Canelo can make the same mistake and get a nice view of the ceiling after the fact. This is why I say you don't know **** about boxing, because you don't. I'll put it to you this way... Canelo and Cotto are different sports cars but they've been on the same track. (Mayweather)
It's not a triangle theory or anything like that but it's a measuring stick. Neither guy got up for Trout like they should have and by that I mean being ready for the fight. Not that they weren't but they both wanted bigger and better things. Mayweather they were both 100% ready and prepared for and Canelo barely finished the race. Cotto set a new record, that's the difference. One guy is a GT-R the other guy is a Mustang GT. Both sports cars but Cotto is on a completely different level.
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Originally posted by Beater_of_ass View PostI go in threads other than Cotto, you don't stop trying to act otherwise. Canelo had a bad ankle as fact... So you have a built in excuse already, I knew it. You know a guy who lives in a Vegas... lmao, stfu you know nothing about the population or local culture here. Manny has fans from all over because of his style, yes. Vegas, either with Mexican and/or Filipino fans, is Manny's home court not Cotto's which was your argument in the first place. The point is Cotto has fought outside of NY plenty of times and you spoon fed irish kid still hasn't fought outside of his house.
And again you losers bring up the Lara fight. You also say Canelo would be better with a better trainer. Why can't the same be true for Cotto? I have no issues admitting he lost, it doesn't mean it's relevant to his whole career. He's a completely different fighter under Roach, the Trout fight was a bad night that happens in boxing. Go figure that Cotto's worst losses were under conditions of a cheater, no trainer and a guy who only trained amateurs.
That's not excuses those are reasons and it's why Cotto is better now. The Cotto that fought Trout isn't the same guy that he is now. I fine with you thinking that, Canelo can make the same mistake and get a nice view of the ceiling after the fact. This is why I say you don't know **** about boxing, because you don't. I'll put it to you this way... Canelo and Cotto are different sports cars but they've been on the same track. (Mayweather)
It's not a triangle theory or anything like that but it's a measuring stick. Neither guy got up for Trout like they should have and by that I mean being ready for the fight. Not that they weren't but they both wanted bigger and better things. Mayweather they were both 100% ready and prepared for and Canelo barely finished the race. Cotto set a new record, that's the difference. One guy is a GT-R the other guy is a Mustang GT. Both sports cars but Cotto is on a completely different level.
I know a woman, not a guy. I talk to her on a consistent basis. I already told you, I visited as well. Tell Cotto to get more fans to go to Vegas then, some Filipinos do and they need a passport to do it. I'm pretty sure it can be easier for living in a state with american citizenship. Tito didn't have that problem with having fans travel to Vegas.
Because he beat Lara. Someone Cotto didn't fight AND was a top 5 rated boxer in the division. Where did I say Canelo needs a better trainer? You're confusing me with someone else.
OHHHH I heard that bullshit before. Oh he's better with Santiago, Oh he's better with Stewart. GTFOH! You want to know who really improved Cotto? The strength and conditioning coach with his stamina. I still see MANY mistakes that Cotto does with Roach but his cardio has improved from the looks of it. He no longer has the "oh I'm dying" look on his face by the 4th round.
Cheater...ok sure!
Cotto has a better style for Mayweather. Anyone with a boxing mind can see that a mile away. Cotto wasn't even 100% for the Mayweather fight either because that is the Mayweather way. What record is this?
Cotto and Canelo are different styles. Cotto at this point is slightly better. Canelo now vs a prime Cotto, Cotto by far. See! I know how it is. You don't!
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Originally posted by KO MX View Postwhat about a rematch at 160 after Canelo beats the **** out of Cotto? or at least at 158, you know a catchweightOriginally posted by icha View Posta green canelo at catchweight ??....
but guess what canelo will still be boxings face in a couple of years, even your idol floyd admitted that...
if he keeps fighting the best he will loose here and there, but he will also win some and people will love him just like they loved oscar who by the way wasnt undefeated either..
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Originally posted by Mr.Fantastic View PostRarely! The only fact I was going to use is Cotto fighting 50% of his last 8 fights fighting fighters off an injury/inactivity just in case you guys try to put Cotto on a pedestal as this godlike warrior.
I know a woman, not a guy. I talk to her on a consistent basis. I already told you, I visited as well. Tell Cotto to get more fans to go to Vegas then, some Filipinos do and they need a passport to do it. I'm pretty sure it can be easier for living in a state with american citizenship. Tito didn't have that problem with having fans travel to Vegas.
Because he beat Lara. Someone Cotto didn't fight AND was a top 5 rated boxer in the division. Where did I say Canelo needs a better trainer? You're confusing me with someone else.
OHHHH I heard that bullshit before. Oh he's better with Santiago, Oh he's better with Stewart. GTFOH! You want to know who really improved Cotto? The strength and conditioning coach with his stamina. I still see MANY mistakes that Cotto does with Roach but his cardio has improved from the looks of it. He no longer has the "oh I'm dying" look on his face by the 4th round.
Cheater...ok sure!
Cotto has a better style for Mayweather. Anyone with a boxing mind can see that a mile away. Cotto wasn't even 100% for the Mayweather fight either because that is the Mayweather way. What record is this?
Cotto and Canelo are different styles. Cotto at this point is slightly better. Canelo now vs a prime Cotto, Cotto by far. See! I know how it is. You don't!
Where did I say Cotto as a great warrior. I'm just asking Canelo to do it once, that somehow makes Cotto great warrior in the process? Why do you bring up Lara? I mean Canelo has 1 fight against a guy on his level and you act like that's a good thing, it's what he is supposed to do. How long as Canelo been at 154? 4 or 5 years now something like that. It took him 3 years to actually fight a JMW, fighting Mosley, Mayweather and Lopez at 154 makes Cotto look like an ATG moving up in weight. At least Cotto fought guys who were actually, you know, in that division regardless of how good they were or weren't lol.
I don't even know what you were trying to say after that. Your rage mode started to come through and you thoughts turned into incoherent garbage.
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Originally posted by icha View Posta green canelo at catchweight ??....
but guess what canelo will still be boxings face in a couple of years, even your idol floyd admitted that...
if he keeps fighting the best he will loose here and there, but he will also win some and people will love him just like they loved oscar who by the way wasnt undefeated either..
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