Comments Thread For: Hunter: Pacquiao Not Reinvented, Mayweather Beats Him

[Real Talk85]

That's fine. I respect your view . But I disagree regarding crap fundamentals. Your take on Pac leaving his feet to reach his opponent is a bit exaggerated IMO. PAC's ring IQ is underestimated sometimes.

Against Bradley and Algeiri (both movers sorta speak)...PAC used a few tricks to close the gap to land his shots. Feints, mixing up shots, and excellent footwork, and positioning allow him to land. PAC is arguably the best offensive fighter in this era. And he has always found ways to land his punches.

PAC's footwork is excellent. So I don't agree with your theory.

"PAC is arguably the best offensive fighter in this era." This cannot be denied, although I wouldn't say best overall be he is the most DANGEROUS offensive fighter. You do not want this guy to swarm you, as his punches come much to quickly and he has pop.

I would argue that him landing shots has more to do with his speed and not so much setting them up. Both fights against Bradley he missed a great deal of punches and missed them badly. He was not able to tee off on him like say he did Cotto or Margarito as Bradley had more side to side movement.
I would also suggest you watch Manny's last 7 fights, or all of them time permitting. His tendency to leave his feet is ever present and he does it quite frequently. If it were not for his speed he would have been caught far more times than what he has been. Then again Marquez caught him alot jumping in but until recently hasn't had the power to hurt him. Usually Marquez catches him leaping in but Manny soaks it up and answers with a combo, usually.

Floyd is a terrible match up for him in my opinion. He isn't big enough to press the action and I don't see him landing combos on someone like Floyd.

[Real Talk85]

That's fine. I respect your view . But I disagree regarding crap fundamentals. Your take on Pac leaving his feet to reach his opponent is a bit exaggerated IMO. PAC's ring IQ is underestimated sometimes.

Against Bradley and Algeiri (both movers sorta speak)...PAC used a few tricks to close the gap to land his shots. Feints, mixing up shots, and excellent footwork, and positioning allow him to land. PAC is arguably the best offensive fighter in this era. And he has always found ways to land his punches.

PAC's footwork is excellent. So I don't agree with your theory.

I will tell you this, you want a superfight? Prime Manny vs Prime Mosley at 140.

Prime Floyd vs Prime Sergio Martinez at 154. Or a Prime Sugar Ray Leonard vs Prime Floyd at 147....!!!!!!!!!!!

Sit back and soak that in.

[wlliam]

Freddie roach is very good at coming up with sound game plans. The only way to beat pacquiao by a decision is by robbery like the first Bradley fight. I wouldn't be surprised if Floyd paid off the judges in that fight, after all he never leaves Vegas and is buddy buddy with the commission. Floyd doesn't have the power to knock him out therefore the only way fir Floyd to win is by robbery.

bradleys "decision" over Pac was floyds doing? Cant make this stuff up

Theres only one person who is a constant in all Tpp Rank controversial decisions..Pacs daddy. At the time of pac/bradley1, pac hadnt renewed his contract and there was no way Bob was gonna let Pac walk away with that title.

[Strategic1]

I would argue that him landing shots has more to do with his speed and not so much setting them up.

Floyd is a terrible match up for him in my opinion. He isn't big enough to press the action and I don't see him landing combos on someone like Floyd.

This is where we disagree. There are a few youtube videos around that look at some of the decisions PAC makes offensively. He does set up his shots. They are very subtle movements and positioning which allows him to do this. You have to look very closely.

Speed is just a mask for some of the effective offensive tactics he uses.

Regarding ..."He isn't big enough to press the action"... In terms of size, perhaps. However, Floyd hasn't faced similar hand speed to that of PAC's.
And he hasn't faced a lefty in quite a well. Thus, there are question marks regarding PAC's ability to land on Floyd ...and Floyd's ability to get away.

That's what makes this fight intriguing. We have to see it for ourselves.

[Real Talk85]

This is where we disagree. There are a few youtube videos around that look at some of the decisions PAC makes offensively. He does set up his shots. They are very subtle movements and positioning which allows him to do this. You have to look very closely.

Speed is just a mask for some of the effective offensive tactics he uses.

Regarding ..."He isn't big enough to press the action"... In terms of size, perhaps. However, Floyd hasn't faced similar hand speed to that of PAC's.
And he hasn't faced a lefty in quite a well. Thus, there are question marks regarding PAC's ability to land on Floyd ...and Floyd's ability to get away.

That's what makes this fight intriguing. We have to see it for ourselves.

If we ever get to see it that is.

[Pago007]

Pac stamina is non existent now check the bradley fights and marquez fights he hasnt thrown more than 60 punches around in quite a while - he was taking off rounds against bradley - the power seems too ne gone dont know why -

[Pago007]

Pac is a cerebral fighter which plays right into floyd hands - if he was more a bully pressure fighter like hatton cotto maidana castillo ortiz he would have a chance - trying too out think floyd is silly - u have too stay in his chest push him back ans use ur weight

[George Orwell]

He made Chris Algieri literally run away just by feinting.

[jjsmyth87]

Am I the only one that thinks this fight has sailed way past it's expiry date? Sure it's still an intriguing match up but all I see happening after it's over is excuses, either which way. We are now talking about a 38yo Floyd Mayweather and 36yo Manny Pacquiao facing each other, both have regressed physically from when the fight was suppose to occur a 7 whole years ago now! and the buzz for the fight as far as the fans is concerned also seems to have subsided dramatically... The fighters will be over paid, and they want us to over pay for what will be a rather dull fight imo, Floyd is not going to engage with Pacquiao, he going to outbox him to a UD will Pacquiao lands a few occasional OOOzz and AAAhhhs fight while be boring just like the hyped up De La Hoya vs Mayweather was....

That's a flawed theory because Manny has 10x the work rate of de la Hoya and is much better in all areas. If de la Hoya got a split decision loss pacquiao should at least get a split decision win. Manny should win based on sheer work rate. Floyd hasn't faced someone with the speed, footwork, defense, and stamina as pacquiao. There's no way in the world Floyd will just steamroll over him. Marquez came closest to beating him by decision and he did ot by throwing the same amount of punches as him which Floyd simply doesn't do.

[meme_man]

bradleys "decision" over Pac was floyds doing? Cant make this stuff up :rofl