A message to Al Haymon from Boxingscene's Chino Madonna

[Bullrider]

I want to see Maidana vs Bradley it's an interesting match up.

Tell Maidana to sign up with TR first. You can be sure it will happen. Can we say the same if Bradley, for example, signs up with Haymon? No. Bradley will most likely start with Karass, then Judah, Salka, etc. You know, the typical Haymon scenario.

[SeekDaGreat]

Does anyone know if Pacquiao has agreed to sign under the Mayweather promotions banner yet?

[jaded]

may i suggest this as your new avatar?

Not bad I was thinking more like this...

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[Porter's Dad]

This sounds to me like a bunch of obfuscation that a lawyer (real or pretend) might indulge in, so I'm gonna' break it right down.

From the blog of yours I initially quoted:



I interpret this to mean that the fans are entitled to the best match ups.

Which makes sense to me because every penny of revenue that is collected by anybody in any way associated with the sport is directly attributable to eyeballs. Those eyeballs reside in the heads of the fans. That's us.

This is from the post I initially quoted.



This I interpret this to mean that we (the fans) are not entitled to the best match ups.

So which is it?

Are we (the fans that pay everybody that makes a dime off this sport) entitled to the best match ups?

Or not?

Nice breakdown of this guy's frankly nonsensical posts (sadly, as soon saw him post in this thread, I knew it would be a staunch defence of Haymon).

You ask him to reconcile his two comments about fans getting the matchups they want - he then proceeds to give us a breakdown of the difference between promoters and advisers for some reason - though even this is bogus when it comes to Al Haymon, who basically acts as a defacto Promoter/Manager. I mean, the guy has the right of veto to his fighters fights FFS.

Also, it is quite stunning that he thinks that fans are misguided in their self-entitlement.

WTF. Seriously, WTF?

We are not entitled to ask for a few meaningful fights a year? Not 20 - but at least 3 or 4?

We are not entitled to feel aggrieved that Haymon put his entire stable in statis for a whole year?

I mean, what is going on here?

[Dean_Razorback]

Not bad I was thinking more like this...

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[LouIE G]

*** haymon

[Deevel916]

It infuriates me that there are Al Haymon supporters. FFS, just admit who you're really nuthugging because we know it isn't actually Al Haymon.

Crazy thing is, they're nuthugging someone whom they have never heard 2 words come out of his mouth.

[Deevel916]

Lets take a look at Stevenson. He went from averaging over a million views while on HBO to just 300k in his last fight under the advice of Haymon. Showtime will be very reluctant to throw big money at him next time around with ratings like that.

[money4100]

Your intepretations should not out of habit be attributed to other's statements, of which you are clearly miscontruing out of contex.

"Your words not mine........

As stated, but in a subdued manner, you are not entitled to an explanation, nor are you entitled to anything in the way of communication from Haymon .... Period!!

Its not like you voted for him, or he was elected to a public serving office -- He's a boxing manager, who serves his clients. Whether that sits well with you or not, is of no consequence. Haymon serves his clients, and he works towards achieving their goals and or desires. This has nothing to do with fans who for some bizarre reason, feel entitled to something.

Why don't you try contacting Bill Belichek to see what his game plans are for the playoffs."

Clearly, when taken in the contex of the whole paragraph, it has the correct meaning, minus the appended distortion you added. If additional assistance is required, then as a statement of fact, Haymon serves his clients exclusively, with no expectations being extended to the fans. Therefore, no fan is entitled to anything from Haymon.

Hope that helps ........

Well, you're just plain wrong. Actually every boxing fan that went to the stadium, or just watched Haymon fighters on tv, kind of voted for him. If the TV station will have better ratings, the more chance there is that they will want that fighter to be fighting on their station, then the fighter will want also to keep haymon as his advisor. Also you can vote with your money by not attending and buying ticket to the arena to watch his fights.
Of course I'm not saying that fans are entitled to anything, they can't use force to make Haymon advise better fights for his clients. But also Haymon, fighter, a tv station arent entitled to my money nor my time.
Also We as a boxing fans should always look what's the best for us, and our only interest is to demand the best fights possible and if someone is not giving that we have every RIGHT to criticize that person.
And don't lie to yourself if you think Haymon will be the winner in this race. Sooner or later he will go out of business by not cooperating with other promoters by not working with HBO and by not giving the fans what they want. It's just a shame that some of his fighters will lose a lot of money by this and WE as a boxing fans will miss a lot of great fights.

[arraamis]

Nice breakdown of this guy's frankly nonsensical posts (sadly, as soon saw him post in this thread, I knew it would be a staunch defence of Haymon).

You ask him to reconcile his two comments about fans getting the matchups they want - he then proceeds to give us a breakdown of the difference between promoters and advisers for some reason - though even this is bogus when it comes to Al Haymon, who basically acts as a defacto Promoter/Manager. I mean, the guy has the right of veto to his fighters fights FFS.

Also, it is quite stunning that he thinks that fans are misguided in their self-entitlement.

WTF. Seriously, WTF?

We are not entitled to ask for a few meaningful fights a year? Not 20 - but at least 3 or 4?

We are not entitled to feel aggrieved that Haymon put his entire stable in statis for a whole year?

I mean, what is going on here?

What's going on here?

For starters, you don't understand the difference between the role of a Boxing Manager and the role of a Promoter. And you're blaming Haymon for NOT doing something he CANNOT do ... Which is to stage fights.

If anyone is to blame for the boxing cards it is the Promoter who matches the opponents and the Networks\Sponsors who finance the event.

I'll tell you what else is really going on here -- You're either incredibly ****** or just another lonely idiot starving for some attention and are misguided enough to believe this is how to get it. Who in their right mind makes a completely idiotic thread titled "A message to Al Haymon from Boxingscene's Chino Madonna" are you freakin serious???

1. If you were sincerely looking for legitimate answers or a response to your ****** questions, why post this on a boxing forum? Are you under the impression that Haymon takes time out of his schedule to read moronic posts on this forum? Why not email Haymon himself? I'm more than certain that both he and his staff would get quite a laugh at the incoherent email he just received. So, in the first case, you're delusional to such an extreme degree, that you think your opinion matters and you're entitled to answers from a Multi-Millionaire Business Manager.

2. Since you didn't try to communicate with Haymon directly, its safe to assume that you're just starving for some attention on Boxing Scene. Which in the second case, takes pathetic to a whole new level. Mommy and daddy's not giving you any attention? Has the bone-smuggling stopped?

WTF is wrong with you, that you have to post this ******ed shit on a boxing forum, revealing just how disconnected from reality you really are.

So, which is it?

I won't even waste anymore time with you, because you clearly are not right in the head.

Well, you're just plain wrong. Actually every boxing fan that went to the stadium, or just watched Haymon fighters on tv, kind of voted for him. If the TV station will have better ratings, the more chance there is that they will want that fighter to be fighting on their station, then the fighter will want also to keep haymon as his advisor. Also you can vote with your money by not attending and buying ticket to the arena to watch his fights.
Of course I'm not saying that fans are entitled to anything, they can't use force to make Haymon advise better fights for his clients. But also Haymon, fighter, a tv station arent entitled to my money nor my time.
Also We as a boxing fans should always look what's the best for us, and our only interest is to demand the best fights possible and if someone is not giving that we have every RIGHT to criticize that person.
And don't lie to yourself if you think Haymon will be the winner in this race. Sooner or later he will go out of business by not cooperating with other promoters by not working with HBO and by not giving the fans what they want. It's just a shame that some of his fighters will lose a lot of money by this and WE as a boxing fans will miss a lot of great fights.

If you believe that idiotic statement, then you're in good company with the OP, because that is the most absurd thing I've read today. You as idiot #2, paid for entertainment in the form of a boxing event. Regardless of the venue (TV, Live etc...)

You didn't vote for a damn thing or person. Now either you're too ****** to know the difference between voting for someone and paying for something, or you've been educated poorly and are a moron. And quite simply, you cannot vote with your money, you can effect change by withholding your participation which involves not paying for an event -- There is a stark difference.