A message to Al Haymon from Boxingscene's Chino Madonna

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  • Porter's Dad
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    A message to Al Haymon from Boxingscene's Chino Madonna

    There is a serious, serious discussion to be had about what Al Haymon just oversaw in boxing in the year 2014.

    IMO, it was a complete and utter disaster, considering he has a Welterweight roster of Thurman, Porter, Khan, Broner, Guerrero, Maidana, - and that's before you throw in 140ers like Garcia, Peterson, Matthyse, who could also all move up to 147. None of these fighters fought each other - which is especially annoying because you could throw all those names in a hat, pick out two randomly, and it would result in a great match-up.

    (I'm not including Devon and Paulie, because they are awful, and nothing more than gatekeepers, along with Soto Karass and Julio Diaz).

    The problem is, if you try to call Haymon out on this, you are drowned out by his supporters (jeez, even advisers have supporters these days) who will say...."but what about Arum".

    It's this "what about him" culture that ruins boxing discourse. It's the same thing that happens when you criticise Floyd - "but what about Pacquaio?".

    Same with Quillin - "but what about Golovkin - why is he ducking Ward?"

    Adonis - "but what about Kovalev?".

    And honestly, I fear for where the sport is going if Haymon is the biggest player in town. I honestly think he has lost sight of what is required in boxing - the sport lives and dies by great match-ups. Not every week, not even every month - but to go a whole year, leaving the sport in a state of statis, because there might be an NBC deal down the line?

    Al Haymon is obviously an incredibly smart person. But he needs to understand that he is creating such resentment, such disillusionment with boxing fans with this paradigm he is trying to create - that a lot of people won't care once he gets his NBC deal.

    Hey Al? Build up your fighters, including taking bigger risks than the likes of Russell Jr and Wilder got (which leaves them badly exposed when it's time for the step up).

    Get them on Showtime AND HBO. The Showtime gravy train won't last forever.

    Don't sign up so many fighters because you are insecure about what happens to you once Floyd retires because fighters need to be active.

    Work with other promoters FFS.

    Tell us about your intentions and how you view the future of the sport.

    Stop trying to control the whole sport because it cannot happen, nor is it healthy.
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    Another problem with Haymon is I think he inflates some fighters' ego in regards to how much they're worth vs where they stand with the fans.

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      #3
      Originally posted by SlySlickSmooth
      Another problem with Haymon is I think he inflates some fighters' ego in regards to how much they're worth vs where they stand with the fans.
      Yeah, there is a frightening level of delusion that Qullin and Adonis seem to have - which is gonna make their demise into obscurity in the next few years all the more difficult to handle for them.

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      • torosboxing75
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        #4
        The only good news is it can't possibly get worse. Haymon needs to think about the fans for once.

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          Originally posted by torosboxing75
          The only good news is it can't possibly get worse. Haymon needs to think about the fans for once.
          He needs to re-think his whole strategy - because this model isn't sustainable. There is a real toxic atmosphere and situation brewing.

          He needs to stop trying to control the sport and work with other promoters. There is still plenty of money to be made that way.

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          • bojangles1987
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            It infuriates me that there are Al Haymon supporters. FFS, just admit who you're really nuthugging because we know it isn't actually Al Haymon.

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            • MBE
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              It's amazing how much some undercard fighters are paid when they couldn't fill their backyard. They are getting so much they just are t motivated to leave their undercard spot and take a challenge.

              We need to take a leaf out of Dana Whites cheque book if we want are boxers hungry.

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                Haymon bumsniffs only bumsniff him because he is affiliated with Floyd it is as simple as that. Arum has been in the game since the 60's putting on brilliant events. Because Haymon is an african american they see him like some kind of role model so they defend him no matter what.

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                • arraamis
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                  No disrespect dude, but I don't think any of the principal's (Movers & Shakers) of boxing give a flying fuck what the fans think or want. Promoters, Managers etc.. are the one's with the insider information and have the concern of turning a profit in every instance. That being stated, I'm more than certain that there are larger concerns and considerations that remain hidden from the general populace. And for that reason alone, many fans should stifle the quite foolish assumption that they know what's really occurring behind the scenes. Because unless you're one of the Promoter's, Managers, Sponsors etc... you really don't know the who's, what's and or why's.

                  And therefore, the bottom line in such a situation becomes very easy to state: Either you pay for the fight card offering or you don't ........

                  In an ideal world, the principals of major sports would have a public forum, where they can sample the pulse of the fans. But we don't live in such a world and your voice amounts to less than a breeze in a hurricane. Boxing isn't on the level of other sports, in fact it is considered a side-show of corruption, misfits and disorganized alpha-males, with a less than intelligent fan-base as icing on the cake.

                  Good luck with securing a listen from any boxing Manager or Promoter.

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                  • Beercules
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                    Great ****ing post.

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