who's the only fighter in this era to defeat 13 ring mag rated fighters in a row

[B Phontain]

Manny didn't beat Shane?

Oh yeah I forgot he was a completely different fighter when Manny faced him... he was ruined.

I happen to think both sides make good arguments, but all of this really coulda been settled a long time ago....by manny. You guys wouldnt have to sit here and analyze who beat who or what not bc Manny coulda been #1 at the weight had he fought the number1, 2, or 3 guy. Thats his fault. He coulda fought mayweather 09/10 but Roach already came out and said they dropped the ball. If your this big superstar warrior who isnt scared to fight anybody then the next logical fight shoulda been Mosley at that time. Margo was the man after the destruction of cotto and Mosley beat the man. When the first fight fell thru Manny shoulda fought Mosely b4 floyd did. Manny turned Mosley down and floyd accepted. Floyd fought the #3 p4p (i believe) at the time and Manny fought #6-#7 in clottley. while i dont think the clottey fight was a particularly bad choice, if you wanna claim #1 you should beat the guys that are at the top. Dont you think this is how boxing should be? Like it or not floyd has been the guy doing that more so than pac.

[ADP02]

I happen to think both sides make good arguments, but all of this really coulda been settled a long time ago....by manny. You guys wouldnt have to sit here and analyze who beat who or what not bc Manny coulda been #1 at the weight had he fought the number1, 2, or 3 guy. Thats his fault. He coulda fought mayweather 09/10 but Roach already came out and said they dropped the ball. If your this big superstar warrior who isnt scared to fight anybody then the next logical fight shoulda been Mosley at that time. Margo was the man after the destruction of cotto and Mosley beat the man. When the first fight fell thru Manny shoulda fought Mosely b4 floyd did. Manny turned Mosley down and floyd accepted. Floyd fought the #3 p4p (i believe) at the time and Manny fought #6-#7 in clottley. while i dont think the clottey fight was a particularly bad choice, if you wanna claim #1 you should beat the guys that are at the top. Dont you think this is how boxing should be? Like it or not floyd has been the guy doing that more so than pac.

Actually Floyd does that only when the risks are at a minimal. That is why he avoided Sergio Martinez, Manny, P. Williams, ..... and fought others when they were either past their prime or not at the point where people expected Floyd to want the fight.

[B Phontain]

If Oscar fought lets say Baldomir, Oscar would not be looking to increase his speed and therefore would not have made the mistake of coming into the fight so light. So yes, I would have picked Oscar over most if not all those who Floyd fought.

Bradley: You have a point and if you look at my history or just this post you will know my stance on that. Everyone was saying back then that Manny hadn't fought a hungry young lion that can move well and so on like Bradley. Even people like Max Kellerman thought that Manny would have big time trouble and thought that Manny could lose that fight. So from that perspective, Manny fought someone that everyone wanted to see how Manny would perform.

But to answer your question, I told people then and will tell you the same. I would have preferred that Bradley come up and fight at WW more to prove himself. Yes, he was a top P4P fighters and the guy to beat at JWW but that doesn't translate that he can do it at 147. Then Manny fought Bradley again who beat Marquez and had more experience ........ a better scenario.


BUT, if you look at the list of who is who, I pick Manny's opponents any day of the week. Manny had more established WW than Floyd. Manny had better opposition than Floyd. Floyd's opponents got their fight due to a hyped up fight, marketing and throws out these lines which Floyd fans parrot:

- ".... but Marquez is a top P4P fighter." Only after he realized that nobody from the media was buying it did he change to another excuse which was worse than the first! Some Floyd fans are so gullible.



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we're gonna have to agree to disagree on the oscar part. Draining himself down to 147 woulda got oscar beat the hell up by everyone on floyds list aside from baldo. Hell maybe even baldo woulda won the man was on like a 7 year undefeated streak before he fought floyd. (strange i know).

People were saying that against both Pac and Floyd about the young hungry lion stuff. Didnt floyd have some interview where he said something to that affect in his decision to fight Ortiz?
I do agree with you that mannys op was more established ww (cotto, clottey, Marg, Mosley) but all of them came after devastating loses or really bad performances. Thats my biggest gripe if you will with Pacs resume at ww. I understand the Cotto fight was big business, but why not Mosley b4 clottey? Floyd should not have gotten that fight first.

[B Phontain]

Actually Floyd does that only when the risks are at a minimal. That is why he avoided Sergio Martinez, Manny, P. Williams, ..... and fought others when they were either past their prime or not at the point where people expected Floyd to want the fight.

but in a combat sport like boxing, isnt fighting someone coming of the best night of their careers the most dangerous time to fight them? As far as mentally anyway?

[therealpugilist]

I happen to think both sides make good arguments, but all of this really coulda been settled a long time ago....by manny. You guys wouldnt have to sit here and analyze who beat who or what not bc Manny coulda been #1 at the weight had he fought the number1, 2, or 3 guy. Thats his fault. He coulda fought mayweather 09/10 but Roach already came out and said they dropped the ball. If your this big superstar warrior who isnt scared to fight anybody then the next logical fight shoulda been Mosley at that time. Margo was the man after the destruction of cotto and Mosley beat the man. When the first fight fell thru Manny shoulda fought Mosely b4 floyd did. Manny turned Mosley down and floyd accepted. Floyd fought the #3 p4p (i believe) at the time and Manny fought #6-#7 in clottley. while i dont think the clottey fight was a particularly bad choice, if you wanna claim #1 you should beat the guys that are at the top. Dont you think this is how boxing should be? Like it or not floyd has been the guy doing that more so than pac.

you reiterated everything I was trying to say

[The Gambler1981]

People were saying that against both Pac and Floyd about the young hungry lion stuff. Didnt floyd have some interview where he said something to that affect in his decision to fight Ortiz?
I do agree with you that mannys op was more established ww (cotto, clottey, Marg, Mosley) but all of them came after devastating loses or really bad performances. Thats my biggest gripe if you will with Pacs resume at ww. I understand the Cotto fight was big business, but why not Mosley b4 clottey? Floyd should not have gotten that fight first.

Floyd lucked out that Mosley was on his side of the street at that moment in time. Arum had to regret not getting some part of Mosley for that shot at Margarito that really ended up costing him.

[Robbie Barrett]

Actually Floyd does that only when the risks are at a minimal. That is why he avoided Sergio Martinez, Manny, P. Williams, ..... and fought others when they were either past their prime or not at the point where people expected Floyd to want the fight.

"Shane came to the gym twice to ask me to let him fight Manny. I told him no both times, and both times for the same two reasons: First, there isn't enough money there, and second, you're too good a fighter." - Freddie Roach

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

They didnt like this thread.

[daggum]

people still pretending mosley was good when floyd beat him? and if the raiders beat the seawhawks and then the broncos beat the raiders that would prove the broncos were the best right? putting all your stock in one game/fight etc...is pretty foolish. a season/multiple fights over time reveal the truth. mosley was crap before and after marg. did you even watch the floyd fight? the word zombie comes to mind. he had a good win for whatever reason: good style matchup, marg drained, handwraps, etc...doesn't mean he was a good overall fighter at that time. bradley and cotto when pac beat them were good overall fighters. they weren't coming off one good win while looking like sh-it before and after. if you can't see the difference you must be a floyd fan lol

[therealpugilist]

Actually Floyd does that only when the risks are at a minimal. That is why he avoided Sergio Martinez, Manny, P. Williams, ..... and fought others when they were either past their prime or not at the point where people expected Floyd to want the fight.

4 out 5 weight classes he has been in he has faced the number one guy and is the only fighter today to be a unified champion in two weights simaultaneously also holds the ring titles at 147 and 154

History says otherwise and either you are just ignorant to the facts or just refuse to acknowledge what you are saying is bullshyt

130-Mayweather fought the lineal champion in his 18th pro fight, Genaro Hernandez was undefeated at the weight( wins over HOFer Azumah Nelson, Raul Perez, Jorge Paez,)

who was more dangerous than an undefeated Diego Corrales who blitzed Robert Garcia, Angel Manfredy, etc @ 130?

Mayweather also held wins over titlists Carlos Hernandez, Jesus Chavez and Goyo Vargas....defended his title 8 times



135-first 2 fights at the weight beats the best lightweight of the era...Jose Luis Castillo and defended the title 2 times

140-Couldnt get Tszyu or Hatton in the ring but defeated two top ten guys in Gatti and Corely

147-Mosley, Hatton, Baldomir, Ortiz, Mitchell, Judah, Maidana (2x), Guerrero, JMM all of these guys were former world champs/titlists and only JMM, Hatton, and Mitchell were not ranked at welterweight when he fought them. Hatton was the jww champ and JMM was the lw champ @ the time


154-Cotto, ODLH, and Canelo were all top 5 at the weight





You don't have to like a fighter but saying unfactual statements make you sound foolish