Comments Thread For: Roach: Without Pacquiao, Mayweather's Legacy is Ruined

[Real Talk85]

Seems to me you know your boxing....so true as long as Floyd keeps winning and no one knocks him off he will be considered the best of his time....the records, defenses, champs defeated all support Floyd being remembered as the best of his time

Yes I do know my boxing , but it's not hard for anyone that watches any boxing classic series, a documentary on the sport or documentaries on certain fighters it is 99.99% of the time the fighter that has the most belts, beaten the most champions, made the most money and has the stats to his name and breaks more New ground in the sport.

Floyd has only one equal in terms of impact and that is Ali.

Floyd brought more viewers than Tyson and Ali combined, to the sport. Anyone that would deny his place is delusional.

[Agent Mulder]

Stop with your fanboy bull. First of all you obviously don't know how this works. Have you ever seen boxing documentaries? Do you not watch espn classics?

There is the premier fighter of every era and then there is everyone else.

Duran, hagler, yearns and Benitez were all legendary champions and yet in the anulls of history to now they take back seat to sugar Ray Leonard.

Frazier, foreman, Norton, Berbick, Norton, and Spinks all take a back seat to Ali and four of them beat him.

The same applies to our era. There is the number one guy and everyone else.

There is no way you can mention this era's welterweight s without mentioning Floyd. He holds so many major records that no one comes close. Oscar was the guy but Floyd passed him up after he beat him and his records. He not only became the most popular fighter of his time but by far the most successful.

However you want to interpret Mannys career is your own business, but it doesn't change the facts. You can talk about Barrera and Morales all you want but as Good as they were there were other fighters just as good, they don't stand out. Just like Manny has yet to do anything to step from Floyd's shadow. In every tangible category Floyd is number one then comes.....everyone else.

It's the winner of the super bowl that gets the glory, the other guy is just that, the other guy.

[hugh grant]

Roach is a funny guy, keep talking about falling asleep watching Floyd fight. Hopefully he wont fall asleep when Pac and Floyd are fighting and Floyd is running all night.

But Floyd kind of has ruined his legacy already by letting JMM ko Pac first. If Floyd beats Pac, people will always say JMM beat him first. That's got to be Floyds fault with his dithering about whether to fight Pac, the danger was someone was going to beat Floyd to it.
There wasn't any danger of Floyd losing as he didn't fight as much, cherry picked and wasn't put under pressure to look for ko's.

[ncboxingfan]

Public don't believe any of the Arum, Roach hype machine

OMG!!!! Roach, I realize Arum is trying to cash Pacquiao out, but DAMN man....get off Mayweather's nuts. Pac and his team are starting sound desperate. Which fight did they promote more, the Pacquiao vs Algeri fight, or the Pacquiao vs Mayweather fight. I challenge you to find more articles related to Pac / Alg then Pac / May during that time.

Yes, we all know Pacman needs the paycheck, which is why he's fighting in China to take advantage of the MAJOR tax breaks. People, please don't be fooled by the Arum machine. This is coming from someone within the know.

Because i'm the good person I am....You know what...I'm going to enlighten you.....

Arum is cashing him out. They have avoided this fight for years because Pac was the cash cow, SO THEY COULDN'T RISK A LOSS BY MAYWEATHER AT THE TIME BECAUSE OF THE $$$ HE WAS BRINGING IN FOR ARUM (from present going back roughly 7 years). Does anyone remember Arum and GoldenBoy going to court when Pac was trying to accept a contract from GB???(4-5 years previously)?? See, at this point he's got too many others in the Arum stable at this point to replace him (i.e. Terrence Crawford, Mickey Garcia, etc). Say what you want....put yourself in the mindset of the fighter....in this case Pac. If you know you're the baddest man on the planet....explain why you don't take the 40 million offered a few years ago on Twitter (Facebook also...some of you didn't know that small fact) by Mayweather, especially if you know you can win the fight? Please explain to me why you don't take that $$$ to prove you're the best....especially considering when it was more money then you've ever made in your life? EVERYONE please don't use the common excuse that "He didn't have to bow down Mayweather", one (that's the one created by the Arum machine). Non boxing knowledge having fans...because that is simply not the truth; I stress I'M NOT A MAYWEATHER FAN!!!!

To be honest, this was not about Pacman, it was more about Arum. He didn't want the fight, because he didn't think Pac could beat Mayweather (having Promoted both of them obviously at different times and knew the caliber of Mayweather). He threatened to sue Pac if he tried to take the fight without him representing him as his promoter (yep, bet you didn't know that (you guys are funny)) so as we know Pacman couldn't take the fight. Now boxing aficionados, and i'm sure some of you guys are really young....a little 101 here....does anyone remeber when Arum stated and I quote; "Mayweather was best thing since Ali" (do your research)? Honestly, who thinks this Pac version would beat Canelo at this point?

Another point, normally, humans naturally get bigger as we get older right? So does no one find it odd that Pac is talking about going down in weight as opposed to going up? Has anyone taken the time to look at Pac's body structure presently (including the head) as opposed to say 3-5 years ago? Don't believe me....do your own research. I just really get tired of people not knowing the real truth.
Okay, one more then i'm done....Pac's previous strength and conditioning coach (who will remain nameless :-) a really good guy) was required to sign a gag order on any and everything related to Pacman...however he only signed thinking he would be with Pac until he retired. LMAO....people really don't have a clue.
I just wanted to enlighten some of you (even though you still won't believe) as to what's really going on. You guys think you know but you really don't. Don't believe everything you see or read in the media and / or websites, because quite frankly it's just fairy tale. Here are the facts my friends:

Pacquiao was on Steroids (He was also on the Algeri fight but not the previous 5)

Arum is cashing him out

Mayweather and Pac will fight on May 2 at MGM

Roach himself has told his personal friends he knows Pac wont beat Mayweather, but it will be a helluva check

Arum next anticipated cash cow is Terrence Crawford

(Man, I'm going to be in trouble for giving out this sh-t)

Be good everyone. Enjoy it before this is pulled down. LOL

Signed: If you only knew who I am

Happy holidays :-)

[Real Talk85]

I'm pretty certain the girl in your profile pic is from x files. I had a mad crush on her, I used to watch that show back in the day. The serial killer that could liquify his bones to go through vents and stuff was the best episode.

[jjsmyth87]

Here is another relevant and important question everyone should ask themselves.... What will be remembered more in 20 years. Manny going toe to toe in battles to the death with men much larger than him and usually picking them apart with lightning speed that leaves you on the edge of your seat?

Or mayweather running around the ring all night potshotting strictly concerned about winning the fight and not about pleasing the fans at all against men who are around the same size as him?

Obviously mannys epic battles will be remembered hands down... Nobody can deny mayweathers technical abilities they are second to none.. But one has to wonder if Manny with his incredible footwork, defense, lightning speed and reflexes, if he strictly worried about hitting and not getting hit and ran and coubterpunched all night I guarantee he would beat mayweather at his own game.

Manny chooses to brawl and engage in slugfests as he says for the fans and that is respectable and that's why his fights are exciting. He leaves himself vulnerable to the knockout every fight with his style, and only one guy who was roided up was able to do it after 4 fights. Manny cannot lose a fair decisio even with his brawling slugging style. Bradley won by robbery but mammy has beaten all the top guys the last 10 years and did it by slugging

[Realboxingfan1]

This is a fkn joke already f pac girl and f gayweather,and gayweather should start his own trend and fight on Kwanzaa in late dec.

[LouIE G]

Here is another relevant and important question everyone should ask themselves.... What will be remembered more in 20 years. Manny going toe to toe in battles to the death with men much larger than him and usually picking them apart with lightning speed that leaves you on the edge of your seat?

Or mayweather running around the ring all night potshotting strictly concerned about winning the fight and not about pleasing the fans at all against men who are around the same size as him?

Obviously mannys epic battles will be remembered hands down... Nobody can deny mayweathers technical abilities they are second to none.. But one has to wonder if Manny with his incredible footwork, defense, lightning speed and reflexes, if he strictly worried about hitting and not getting hit and ran and coubterpunched all night I guarantee he would beat mayweather at his own game.

Manny chooses to brawl and engage in slugfests as he says for the fans and that is respectable and that's why his fights are exciting. He leaves himself vulnerable to the knockout every fight with his style, and only one guy who was roided up was able to do it after 4 fights. Manny cannot lose a fair decisio even with his brawling slugging style. Bradley won by robbery but mammy has beaten all the top guys the last 10 years and did it by slugging

A better question would be, in 20 years who is more likely to have parkinsons disease?? Floyd or manny??

Where will all the fans be when hes suffering from all the ring wars hes been in to entertain boxing fans?? They will be going on with their lives questioning why he did'nt fight smarter!!

Boxing is a art form, there is more to boxing then punching people in the face! Its hit and not get hit in the sweet science... look at lavender johnson who lost his life taking unmeasured punishment(refs fault or not) and look at bhop a nearly 50 year old man whos longevity was spared due to his lackluster style.

This is chess,not checkers bro! A good strategy prevails 99% of the time.

[chepe009]

Roach, of you believe everything you say, convinced pac to take the monetary offered and stop asking Floyd to do so. I'm no expert, but if you sale 30-0 400k ppv and I sell 900-1mil, that means you sell and revenue 1/3 of what I do...here's an idea; agree to a 1/3 of the split. Seems fair to me.

[therealpugilist]

Here is another relevant and important question everyone should ask themselves.... What will be remembered more in 20 years. Manny going toe to toe in battles to the death with men much larger than him and usually picking them apart with lightning speed that leaves you on the edge of your seat?

Or mayweather running around the ring all night potshotting strictly concerned about winning the fight and not about pleasing the fans at all against men who are around the same size as him?

Obviously mannys epic battles will be remembered hands down... Nobody can deny mayweathers technical abilities they are second to none.. But one has to wonder if Manny with his incredible footwork, defense, lightning speed and reflexes, if he strictly worried about hitting and not getting hit and ran and coubterpunched all night I guarantee he would beat mayweather at his own game.

Manny chooses to brawl and engage in slugfests as he says for the fans and that is respectable and that's why his fights are exciting. He leaves himself vulnerable to the knockout every fight with his style, and only one guy who was roided up was able to do it after 4 fights. Manny cannot lose a fair decisio even with his brawling slugging style. Bradley won by robbery but mammy has beaten all the top guys the last 10 years and did it by slugging

id say its running too if I cant hit my opponent LMAO

Seriously though ive boxed in the past and I couldn't have cared less what people watching thought as long as I didn't get my ass whooped....why stand and slug if you hold athletic advantages like speed, reflexes and footwork

I guess willie pep, Roy jones, and pernell whitaker ran too because they didn't just slug

anyway Manny is a great, great fighter but guys like Roy Jones and Mayweather who are physically gifted as much as smart and know how to box start taking L's when they get older and slow down or the only way to beat them is by kayo

Jones showed a helluva chin before he dropped back down to lightheavyweight...I watched the first tarver fight 3 days ago and Tarver was landing very good clean shots at times and Roy didn't blink or flinch

You beat fighters like Floyd by punching with them.....same goes for Pacquaio

you beat speed with timing


We may disagree but I never saw Manny as the guy to beat Floyd....He is too small, this would be the first time in years that Floyd would be the bigger fighter, has the longer reach, better defense, physically bigger and stronger, good chin, great work ethic, and always goes to another level when he is being pushed.

Only way Manny could beat Mayweather in my eyes in by KO, or a dec where he drops him several times...HUGE POSSIBILTY IF FLOYD DONT KO PAC HE'D GET ROBBED IF THE FIGHT IS COMPETITIVE CAUSE MOST FIGHTS THE CROWD GOES NUTS IF A FIGHTER EVEN GETS CLOSE TO HITTING Mayweather

..Whenever a guy pushes Floyd he pushes back, he doesn't fold.

lesson one....pro boxing is prizefighting.....they fight for money to live and support their families, not for us on NSB, message boards or the media critiques