Comments Thread For: Roach: Without Pacquiao, Mayweather's Legacy is Ruined

[jjsmyth87]

I can garauntee that not only will Floyd be fine but if he does in fact retire undefeated no one will talk about Manny . He will be another guy not named Floyd.

No one talks about the b side. Frazier and foreman were two of the biggest heavyweights of their time, one of them beat Ali and yet unless your talking about Ali no one really brings them up.

It's the ones that lead the pack that stick and that is definitely Floyd.

Manny has done nothing that would make him more than just another ww not named Floyd.

All of his big name fights are retreads of Floyd's. He has no unique accomplishment that will keep him relevant. Floyd will retire with more champions beaten than any fighter ever, more title defenses than any ww, more championship fights, the two highest grossing fights, the highest defensive rating of all time, and the highest connect % of all time.

Outside of his trilogy with jmm Manny has done nothing of note. Not to mention how he will be criticized for his fight with margarito for that made up belt and refused to fight the real champ for the belt in Sergio Martinez. Yes they will bring that up, look at how they dissected Roy jones Hopkins 2, Leonard vs hagler, or Leonard vs Duran 2. Historians look at every aspect of big fights and Manny will suffer because all his big fights were against lesser versions of marquee fighters Floyd already beat.

His milestones and impact simply don't add up to anything Floyd has done.

Lol this was the most bogus post if the night. In fact the opposite is probably more closer to the truth. 2 of mayweathers biggest wins cotto and Marquez were pacquio left overs. Manny fought 3 mayweather left overs. Not a big difference. I think what really stands out in the history books is mannys marquee wins over Barrera and Morales. Not to mention the Floyd leftovers Manny beat Manny beat them in way more impressive fashion. Even the Manny leftovers Floyd beat Manny beat in much more impressive fashion besides marquez but everyone with a brain knows the history behind that fight with the weight. And if you want to talk about recent wins beating Bradley in such dominant fashion.. Who by the way is a top p4p unbeaten fighter in his prime is more impressive than anything Floyd has done In years. In fact that alone might be better than anything Floyd has ever done really.

[QballLobo]

Last time I checked Pacquiao wasn't walking around claiming to be TBE and better than Ali. If the fight doesn't happen then it will hurt Floyd more based on the expectation he has set for himself.

[therealpugilist]

I would have to agree with you somewhat... Marciano fought all the best of his era and won but there are still some questions about mayweather like it or not. He can erase all doubts by fighting pacquiao nobody could ever say nothing about it again. Even if they try to say Pac was past his prime that's bs because Floyd has slowed down just as much and they are still the best 2 in the game. Calzaghe isn't as impressive, yes he was undefeated but his competition was much weaker. Roy Jones would have schooled him in his prime, although I'm not sure about Hopkins because Hopkins never really slowed down that much up to that point

The only question would be who you think would beat who


Both guys are freaking legends no one can question either guys legacy...I feel lucky to have had 2 guys so different and so great in my era


its gonna be the same old song until he retires...rinse wash and repeat...oh he ducking this fighter he scared of this guy, he wont fight him....soon as the fight gets signed and he wins then comes the excuses....it happened with Cotto, Canelo, ODLH, Mosley, Hatton and if he fights and beats Pac then they will find someone else....they've been doing it since he started opening his mouth and kicked Gatti's ass


Speed and athleticism always gave b hops problems look at most the fighters who beat him...Jones, Pascal, Taylor, etc.

Jones IMO would've beat Calzaghe in the 90's handily

[oneon11]

For a guy who people claim to be so sick he sure has a taste for Mayweather's n-u-t-s..........

[jjsmyth87]

Here is a fun, interesting, and probably the most relevant fact in this whole debate, out of mayweather and pacquios 5 common opponents, Manny was at a significant weight disadvantage in all but the de la Hoya fight, while Floyd was about the same weight or higher in the case of Marquez, and 4 out of the five Manny beat in a much more dominating fashion, the lone exception being Marquez who mammy had beaten twice already, and Floyd had Marquez coming up 2 weight classes and didn't bother making weight for himself. 2 were Manny leftovers and 3 were Floyd leftovers.

[Agent Mulder]

I agree in the sense that pacquiao is a big enough force in ww to warrant a fight but floyds career doesn't depend on one fight. that's silly.

[StefanTosic]

I can garauntee that not only will Floyd be fine but if he does in fact retire undefeated no one will talk about Manny . He will be another guy not named Floyd.

Manny has done nothing that would make him more than just another ww not named Floyd.

All of his big name fights are retreads of Floyd's.

Outside of his trilogy with jmm Manny has done nothing of note.

You should be institutionalized.........

[Real Talk85]

Lol this was the most bogus post if the night. In fact the opposite is probably more closer to the truth. 2 of mayweathers biggest wins cotto and Marquez were pacquio left overs. Manny fought 3 mayweather left overs. Not a big difference. I think what really stands out in the history books is mannys marquee wins over Barrera and Morales. Not to mention the Floyd leftovers Manny beat Manny beat them in way more impressive fashion. Even the Manny leftovers Floyd beat Manny beat in much more impressive fashion besides marquez but everyone with a brain knows the history behind that fight with the weight. And if you want to talk about recent wins beating Bradley in such dominant fashion.. Who by the way is a top p4p unbeaten fighter in his prime is more impressive than anything Floyd has done In years. In fact that alone might be better than anything Floyd has ever done really.

Stop with your fanboy bull. First of all you obviously don't know how this works. Have you ever seen boxing documentaries? Do you not watch espn classics?

There is the premier fighter of every era and then there is everyone else.

Duran, hagler, yearns and Benitez were all legendary champions and yet in the anulls of history to now they take back seat to sugar Ray Leonard.

Frazier, foreman, Norton, Berbick, Norton, and Spinks all take a back seat to Ali and four of them beat him.

The same applies to our era. There is the number one guy and everyone else.

There is no way you can mention this era's welterweight s without mentioning Floyd. He holds so many major records that no one comes close. Oscar was the guy but Floyd passed him up after he beat him and his records. He not only became the most popular fighter of his time but by far the most successful.

However you want to interpret Mannys career is your own business, but it doesn't change the facts. You can talk about Barrera and Morales all you want but as Good as they were there were other fighters just as good, they don't stand out. Just like Manny has yet to do anything to step from Floyd's shadow. In every tangible category Floyd is number one then comes.....everyone else.

It's the winner of the super bowl that gets the glory, the other guy is just that, the other guy.

[LouIE G]

Here is a fun, interesting, and probably the most relevant fact in this whole debate, out of mayweather and pacquios 5 common opponents, Manny was at a significant weight disadvantage in all but the de la Hoya fight, while Floyd was about the same weight or higher in the case of Marquez, and 4 out of the five Manny beat in a much more dominating fashion, the lone exception being Marquez who mammy had beaten twice already, and Floyd had Marquez coming up 2 weight classes and didn't bother making weight for himself. 2 were Manny leftovers and 3 were Floyd leftovers.

This is all irrelevant here... everyone knows pac is the bigger puncher between the 2(no surprise here)! But floyd dominated mosely, knocked hatton out, beat oscar at his comftorable weight, purely dominated marquez(dont mention weight) and beat cotto at his natural weight as well... 3 out of those 5 that pac beat were floyd leftovers!!!

Pac beat oscar at a weight division he hadn't fought in 7 years prior to the fight.
Pac koed hatton, after being thoroughly picked apart and koed by floyd first.
Pac fought 3 evenly fought fights against Jmm where today fans are still split on who won.
Pac fought mosely after floyd made him look old, and after his god awful performance against mora, hence the nickname "OLDSLEY".
Pac fought cotto after rebounding from margarito with a fight most people felt he lost against clottey..(not counting the jennings farce)..

So to me i dont think pac looked better then floyd against those opponents...

[therealpugilist]

Stop with your fanboy bull. First of all you obviously don't know how this works. Have you ever seen boxing documentaries? Do you not watch espn classics?

There is the premier fighter of every era and then there is everyone else.

Duran, hagler, yearns and Benitez were all legendary champions and yet in the anulls of history to now they take back seat to sugar Ray Leonard.

Frazier, foreman, Norton, Berbick, Norton, and Spinks all take a back seat to Ali and four of them beat him.

The same applies to our era. There is the number one guy and everyone else.

There is no way you can mention this era's welterweight s without mentioning Floyd. He holds so many major records that no one comes close. Oscar was the guy but Floyd passed him up after he beat him and his records. He not only became the most popular fighter of his time but by far the most successful.

However you want to interpret Mannys career is your own business, but it doesn't change the facts. You can talk about Barrera and Morales all you want but as Good as they were there were other fighters just as good, they don't stand out. Just like Manny has yet to do anything to step from Floyd's shadow. In every tangible category Floyd is number one then comes.....everyone else.

It's the winner of the super bowl that gets the glory, the other guy is just that, the other guy.

Seems to me you know your boxing....so true as long as Floyd keeps winning and no one knocks him off he will be considered the best of his time....the records, defenses, champs defeated all support Floyd being remembered as the best of his time