Sugar Ray Robinson's jump in weight, amazing.

[Wuckoo]

It depends on how you define "old greats". Pre-1930? '50s? '80s?

I consider old greats as pre 1970s just because that's considered old in this day lol.

[MurkaMan]

OK, who did Leonard fight at a catchweight? And who did he cherry-pick?

Bro remember when SRL fought for two belts in two different weight classes? He invented the cw. And just for your info SRL is KNOWN for fighting EVERYONE at the right time. Remeber he didnt fight Hagler until he was old and didnt fight Herns until he realized he had a glass jaw.

SRL INVETNED it. When Floyd was young everyone said he was the next SRL so they projected everything that SRL did onto Floyd. Floyd can fight Wlad right now and everyone will say, "He is PROBABLY fighting him because he knows he is slow" Thats the jist of Floyd cherrypicking.

Him fighting whoever comes into the top 3, and everyone says, "KNOWING Floyd he probably sees a weakness thats why he is fighting him" Its disrespectful and he fights these guys with zero hesitation and makes them look foolish.

[MurkaMan]

Jeez…

I am honest with myself. Just because I am not stuck in the “new is automatically better” line of thought doesn’t mean I am wrong.

You are not going to convert somebody else to your position in this type of debate, so why not start putting forward some arguments and explain WHY this era in particular is superior to the previous ones?

It would undoubtedly be a refreshing sight to see you test something new instead of taking the same old route as usual.

Negroid I aint TRYING to convert nobody. Floyd has done things that SRL never dreamed of. His boxing is on another level even Pacman. Floyd has the top 3 plus minus in boxing history while SRL had a plus minus of 15, Floyd's was 30.

You ARE biased for past ATG's, because how can you sit up here and tell me that SRL was even HALF as good as Floyd and Pac?


SRL can change his entire fighting style and dominate Floyd's opponents without being hissed, and come out with 30? His defense isnt even as good as Pac's and yall out here lying like Pac wasnt a complete fighter. This dude was a beast that boxing didnt know could exist until he came into the game!

[MurkaMan]

MurkaMan is a bum. His posts have no substance.

#fu@kingtrolls

EVERY SINGLE THING I POST HAS SUBSTANCE. I GO INTO GREAT DETAIL COME ON BRO DONT DISRESPECT ME JUST BECAUSE YOUR BITTER THAT IM GOING IN ON THE PAST ATGs!!!

[VG_Addict]

People say modern fighters have better techniques, when several modern fighters use old school techniques. Golovkin and Kovalev use shifting, and Floyd uses the Philly Shell.

[MurkaMan]

Listen man, NOBODY has ever talked about this plus minus *****. You can't honestly say that floyd is the best ever? He hardly ever fights. Doesn't defend his 154lb belt. If you're going to bring up srl retiring (because of a detached retina) then you can't ignore that floyd did it. All the greats agree that Floyd is not that good. Even people like roy who previously praised him are calling him out now. If you don't believe that Robinson is that good then fair dos I won't argue further. But floyd is not THAT good. He has picked his opposition carefully. Early on he took risks but now he plays it way too safe to be considered the best. Leonard at least fought the top guys at the time. Mayweather picked Guerrero, who nobofy considered a top welter. Then he picked canelo, a slow mover who was made even slower due to the catchweight. He then refused to defend these belts against other 154lbers. He picked maidana, who had only beaten Broner, and beat him and then asked for a rematch we all knew he would win. NOW instead of making the fight that could be made with pac, Al haymon is now offering a cotto rematch. And floyd lost to castillo, we all know this. Floyd definitely has skills and will be considered one of the best of this era but not the best.

You can't honestly tell me that someone who has been as inactive as floyd is the best. He has avoided matchups against guys like margarito, williams, pacquiao and possibly Lara. You can make a case for leonard being better than Robinson but leonard at least took way more ridks than floyd. He fought the top guys at the time and didn't handpick to the level floyd does.

Nobody talks about the plus minus because it shows how far away Floyd is from those fighters. lol Him, Joe Louis, and Lennix all had the top three in boxing history.

SRL didnt have a detatched retina, his dr came out and said "That was a lie" lol SRL ALWAYS ducked Hagler lets not get up here and tell lies.

IDGAF about the "greats" who have called out Floyd, all of them are trained to talk about how "good" the past ATgs were. I think for myself.

Floyd didnt pick his opposition carefully LOL. He blatantly fights anyone who comes into the top 3, and then you all lie and say, "Knowing Floyd is fighting them because he PROBABLY sees a weakness" Thats the jist of him cherrypicking, which is disrespectful because he is the only one fighting real fighters.

If he fights Wlad you all will say, "Floyd is PROBABLY fighting him because he knows Wlad is slow"

The truth is, when Floyd was young everyone said he was the next SRL, so they PROJECTED everything SRL did onto FLOYD!!

SRL used to retire to duck people, and cherrypick everyone.

Floyd retired and came back and fought people bigger, faster, and stronger than the guys he "ducked"

He fought Nelo with ZERO hesitation and you all said, "Well when I think about it, Nelo is going to get better and Floyd is going to get older so it makes sense that he is fighting him now"

He didnt have to cherrypick Nelo, he was so much better than him he walked him down and had ZERO respect for his punching power.

SRL HAD to cherrypick because he isnt as good as Floyd. This dude had a plus minus of 15, Same as Ward, while Floyd had a plus minus of 30, and that means nothing? Yea because it shows how much more skilled Floyd is.

But according to you, if SRL fought Floyd's "cherries" SRL would change his entire fighting style and dominate them each without being touched, and come out of the ring with a plus minus of 30? GTFO and stop that lyin.

Talkin to me like Im stoopid lol

And btw, ALL of Floyd's opponents fight their way into the top 3, and he fights them with zero hesitation.

[MurkaMan]

People say modern fighters have better techniques, when several modern fighters use old school techniques. Golovkin and Kovalev use shifting, and Floyd uses the Philly Shell.

No, Floyd OWNS the shoulder roll. I dont care who used it before him, he basically taught everyone the correct way to use it. That is FLOYD's from now on.

[VG_Addict]

No, Floyd OWNS the shoulder roll. I dont care who used it before him, he basically taught everyone the correct way to use it. That is FLOYD's from now on.

But he still uses a so-called "outdated" old-school technique.

[The Gambler1981]

Would have been more impressive if Ray Robinson was actually willing to fight The Black Murders Row who were just a bit too risky for his liking~

[Wuckoo]

No, Floyd OWNS the shoulder roll. I dont care who used it before him, he basically taught everyone the correct way to use it. That is FLOYD's from now on.

James toney. That is all.

You are clearly trolling now. Who taught floyd how to use it? His dad? How did his dad learn to teach this technique? Was floyd talking in the womb about how best to do it? You go on to say old greats are overrated then use the plus minus crap to justify your view. If joe Louis is in the top 3 then he mustn't have been known for having a "bum of the month club" you say floyd fights top 3? How does beating Broner earn maidana top 3 at welter? How does he earn a rematch of floyd is so dominant?
If you're gonna use plus minus then you obviously rate how Louis highly. B-but these old greats are overrated doe! Floyd the best doe. Floyd could beat middleweights even though he never weighed close to 160 doe. Just srl is known to have achieved a good bit more than floyd legacy wise. He was a damn sight more active too. Funny thing is you criticise old school fighters yet the way floyd trains is old school. But whatever man I'm not gonna feed the troll anymore. If you aren't a troll then you are a really ignorant floyd fan. Floyd has great skills no doubt about that but legacy wise people will only remember him as the guy who was obsessed with money. And more importantly the guy who had to trash talk just to get noticed and stay relevant.