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I agree that's not the best way to compare fighters but in this thread topic I think it's reasonable
We are talking about how well rounded a fighter is...
Give floyd average defense and he still beats most guys and is still world class, because he has great ring generalship, can fight in the pocket, on his bike, his counters are brutal, his speed is outstanding, chin, stamina, endurance, jabs, movement,
Give ggg average power and he ain't gonna have much successComment
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Hopkins was never the fastest fighter, he also relies on a referee allowing him to work the inside or he struggles against quicker fighters. Mayweather struggles on the inside, and he often has to hold to have the ref separate even against limited opponents and the work he does is all defensive. They're great fighters, but they also have their weaknesses which have been exposed in the ring at various times in their careers.
The same goes for Manny Pacquiao, Juan Manuel Marquez, Roy Jones Junior, they all have their limitations because despite what the cable networks try to sell us, nobody's perfect.
It's impossible to say since the onus would then be on him to adapt. Reverse the plot and give Floyd GGG's power and would he fight on the backfoot and focus so much on defense? I doubt it, fighters develop their games around their natural strengths.they are much more versatile and well rounded than ggg...
Sure ggg is a better power puncher than them, but take away his power punching and make him hit as hard as floyd and I doubt ggg achieves the same success that he has..
Golovkin may not be adept on the backfoot but by the same token Mayweather has never looked great as a pressure fighter. Horses for courses.
Your line of argument almost makes Golovkin seem like just a power puncher, surely you can see he's much more than that? There's a lot of skill there.Last edited by Weebler I; 12-21-2014, 02:00 AM.Comment
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The only thing you can really discount Golovkin for is speed and movement, mainly because he doesn't need them. His timing and footwork make up for them. Take away his power and he still has pretty much what you would want. His jab is one of the best in the sport right now. He lands at a higher amount per round than anyone else. You can argue the competition, but that's not based on power or your level of competition. You can argue about amateurs and how they don't translate into the pros, but the ratio 345-5 is enough to show that power isn't his only asset. It takes a lot of awareness and IQ to be able to adapt to have a record like that, regardless of what kind of fighter you are. You base what he's doing right now off of power but how many shots is he throwing that have true power behind them and instead of really good technique (albeit mixed with natural heavy hands)? There's more intangibles to GGG's game than I think most people realize. And it'll take an elite level fighter to bring them out.Comment
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Ok,, I'm just gonna put it simple terms
We are talking about being well rounded and if ggg is one of the most well rounded fighters in the game
Ggg is a good fighter, probably the best puncher in the world today, excellent footwork when he cuts off the ring, but he is nowhere as well rounded as floyd, hopkins, rigo, ward, roman Gonzalez, crawford, etc..
Ggg is excellent in some areas, and just okay in others... He isn't the most versatile guy or one of the most well rounded...
That has no bearing on how well he fights, it's just a fact that there are more versatile guys out there and he isn't the most well rounded fighter...Comment
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If power was Golovkin's only asset he wouldn't be such a heavy favorite to beat Lemieux who is also very powerful.
Golovkin is favored because he is visibly the more skilful of the two fighters.Comment
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Is Rigo well rounded? I've never seen him battle it out and dominate on the inside for example or take it to his opponent by pressuring him around the ring in a seek and destroy manner. Your list seems a little backfoot-heavy, the offensive elements of being "well-rounded" taking secondary place.
Of the three things you listed on the previous page, I don't think Golovkin has a leaky defense, he's just behind Floyd in the entire sport with compubox. I don't think he struggles with movers either that I've seen, but I do agree, his ability to fight on the backfoot seems limited at this point.Comment
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u dizz gggs ability to deal with mover
then u praise floyd for his well rounded skillz when the only mover floyd ever fought was judah
got knockdown and troubled by judah
and strugled against a come forward fighter in maidana
rightttt,.... strugle againts a come forward fighter.......Comment
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Golovkin > Mayweather.Comment
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